Beginners Information post *please read*

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Hello everybody, The reason I'm posting this is to address the concerns of some of our members. Lately there has been a flood of new members (which is great!). This has lead to an overwhelming amount of posts asking for advise on a variety of things including but not limited to, What is the best anvil? Gas or coal forge? Hopefully this post will help answer some of the most commonly asked questions and provide some useful information. Links will be provided when relevant. This will be broken into sections. If anyone has any suggestions on things they would like me to add or improve on just let me know in the comments. I'm positive I'll have missed something but I hope this helps someone regardless. Thanks for reading.

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PPE And Safety

To begin, We will start with personal protective equipment (PPE for short). This is a very important aspect of being in the shop. This will be further sub divided into categories. It is ultimately up to you to decide what you want to wear and how many risks you want to take. These are just something to consider.

Forge: When working hot metal in the forge there are several things to consider. these include what you are doing, and what risks your willing to take. For general forging safety glasses should be worn at all times. Your eyes are important. Hearing protection should be worn most times, the shop is louder than you think. Your clothing should be made of cotton or other natural materials. Synthetic materials melt to your skin. Pants are important, you never know when some hot metal will go flying. A leather apron is also handy to prevent scale from burning you. When forge welding an apron is vital due to the increased temperatures and molten flux. Gloves should be avoided when possible. If you must wear them be sure of a few things, They should be leather (again synthetic melts to your skin). and they should be loose on your hands, gloves will shrink when they get hot and if your gloves are tight they will shrink and burn you. Leather/ steel toed boots are not a bad idea.

Also everything is hot, its good practice to have a separate metal table to set recently worked on pieces. This table is used so you know what not to grab with your hands, does not solve the problem every time but it helps.

Power Tools: Power tools are fun and an incredible way to increase productivity, however they are dangerous. Safety glasses should always be worn and at times face shields should also be worn. A respirator should be worn whenever there is airborne particles. These can be from things such as grinders and belt sanders. gloves should never be used around anything that spins as they can catch and suck your hands into the machine. Clothing should be cotton as well. Leather/ steel toed boots are not a bad idea.

Use common sense.

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Tools: there are several things to know about forging tools. Here they are.

Anvils: An anvil can be several things. In essence an anvil is a chunk of solid metal to forge iron on. an anvil substitute is not an ASO. ASO (anvil shaped object) refers to a cast iron object that looks like an anvil but functions poorly as one. a good anvil will be hardened steel. They can be cast steel or forged. for a strict budget you can do something as simple as a sledge hammer or thick metal bar sunk into a stump. if you have a medium budget vevor sells cheap cast steel anvils that are fantastic for the cost. if you have a substantial budget Holland anvil sells premium cast steel anvils. Id recommend the vevor anvil for any beginner. Bad anvil substitutes include cast iron aso, h beam, and the anvil on a vise.

anvil alternatives https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/52308-a-collection-of-improvised-anvils/

vevor steel anvils https://www.vevor.com/collections/cast-steel-anvil?gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO5gjAKNNtYeR76yZrL6J3kWST0T5kbv_OxzLz9sxNDWYzpi5-SM37BoCxbgQAvD_BwE

Holland anvil https://www.hollandanvil.com/shop

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Swage blocks: Swage blocks are used as a tool for forming steel. They often contain holes which can be used to upset stock to make hardy tools or other objects in. They can also be used for drifting and punching through. Some blocks contain dishes or molds for forging things such as spoons, bowls, shovels, ect. The edges have half swages for forging certain shapes such as round bars, squares, hexagon, or triangular bars for example .

Holland anvil also sells swage blocks https://www.hollandanvil.com/shop

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Tongs: tongs are a very important aspect of blacksmithing. Without them its hard to hold the stock and with improper tongs stock can go flying. There is a different type of tongs for nearly anything you could want to make. For example, Common tongs include flat jaw tongs, bolt jaw, wolf jaw, and pickup tongs. There are many others not listed. Flat are your bog standard general use tongs. bolt jaw and v bit allow you you to grab round and square stock more securely. Bolt jaw allows you to grip around odd shapes in the end of the bar. Wolf jaw are similar to others except they allow a slight difference in stock sizes you can hold. Pickup tongs are used for short sections of thick stock.

I recommend you get a set of kens custom iron tong blanks to start. They will help you learn how to make tongs, and provide with some cheap nearly done tongs. I will also include a link for making tongs without tongs.

blanks https://kensironstore.com/collections/quick-tongs

making your first pair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHrgefJ7NvI

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Hammers: There are several types of hammers used in blacksmithing, this section will go over the basic types and their uses. The first hammer is the cross peen hammer. This hammer has a flat face for general forging and a peen for spreading material in a specific direction. There are also diagonal and straight peen hammers which do the same thing just with different directions. Next up is the ball peen hammer. This hammer spreads metal in all directions. This hammer is great for texturing and forming dishes. Finally the rounding hammer, traditionally a farrier hammer but lately popular for blacksmithing due to Brian Brazeal. The rounding side on this hammer allows you to draw out material faster and gives you several different radius to use. The shape is best described as a squashed ball

hammers https://www.blacksmithsdepot.com/products/hammers.html

Harbor freight hammers are cheap and great for starting out.

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Punches and drifts

Punches: punches are used for making holes in hot iron. To punch a hole you should hammer the punch 2/3 to 3/4 the way through the stock than flip over the bar and hammer it all the rest of the way through. This should push a slug out and form a nice hole in the metal. Punches can be handled or held by hand. Punches should be forged from a quality hardenable steel. The struck end should be left soft and lightly rounded.

Drifts: drifts are used to enlarge the hole or shape the punched hole. They taper until the desired shape is achieved. They should be made out of a medium carbon steel but left soft.

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Dressing tools: Hammers should be dressed before use. This involves rounding the edge of the face and smoothing any rough marks. This can be done using files or a flap disk on an angle grinder. Any varnish or coating on the handle should be sanded and than the handle should get oiled. For dressing struck tools grind the struck end into a slightly rounded end and remove any mushrooming.

dressing hammers https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/51879-first-hammer-dressing/

Forge: You can't heat metal without one, the question is gas or coal? here are the pros and cons of each along with some links.

Gas Forges: gas forges burn propane in order to heat the stock. they must be coated with an insulative material such as k26 soft fire brick or kao wool. Ceramic ? kao wool must be coated with refractory to prevent silicosis. matrikote 90 ac or itc 100 can be used as a coating to increase fuel efficiency and heat. There are two types of burner venturi and forced air. forced air can give more rven heats in the form of ribbon burners. they are more efficient using lower psi ( but higher volume), but they cost more and need power. The more common burner is the venturi burner, these tend to be a bit less efficient and need higher psi to run but are more commonly used. they do not need power to run.

Gas forges are popular as they are clean and good for use in neighborhoods, and fuel is easily obtained. However they tend to be a bit more expensive and limiting in what you can heat due to the enclosed nature of gas forges

some forges http://devil-forge.com/

refractory https://www.hightemptools.com/refractorycoatings.html

matrikote https://www.budgetfoundrysupply.com/matrikote-90ac

Coal and other solid fuels: solid fuel forges are popular among people who make artistic pieces and need a more open forge and among people who enjoy historical smithing. coal forges are open so you can heat just about anything in one of them. They also tend to be cheaper to make than gas. they can be simple like a jabod forge or more complex like a brake drum forge, or a standard forge with a firepot and table. Coal can be hard to find for some people though. Hardwood lump charcoal is another great source of fuel but stay away from briquettes

jabod forge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-R6iY-mY-Y

brake drum forge http://www.blacksmithingforbeginners.com/building-a-brake-drum-forge/

standard coal forge

Here are some commercially produced coal forges

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I am not affiliated with any link here, it is purely personal preference and opinions, or things that helped me.

Conclusion: That's all for now. Revisions, changes, and additions will be made over time. Feel free to make suggestions or ask questions in the comments. Hopefully this isn't too hard to read.

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I hope this helps someone. Thanks for your time.

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BF_2•

This posting needs to be "stickied" to the top of this forum, if that be possible. We really ARE getting the same question over and over, and it gets old. I've attempted to remedy this in my own way by using my own website (which is overdue for updating):

https://sites.google.com/view/grasshopperhammer-spinoff/reddit-answers-blacksmithing

NOTE: If you ask 10 blacksmiths the same question, expect at least a dozen contradictory answers. This reply is just another take on some of the questions addressed by GuardedDig2, with whose comments, BTW, I mostly concur.

I seldom wear a leather apron and seldom get burned. When I do get burned, it's usually due to an error an apron would not have protected me from. Proper technique minimizes weld splatter or directs it away from the smith.

Traditionally, hot metal is tossed under the forge table to cool. Putting it ON a table strikes me as a bad idea as it may actually encourage a 3rd person to pick it up. If you're alone in your shop, you decide.

There are two basic kinds of respirator: "dust masks" (which may or may not be N-95) are for particles. Cartridge-type respirators have any of various types of filter cartridges, typically to capture fumes of toxic substances to prevent your inhaling them. Both must be fit to the face for full efficacy. Since many of us have beards, that may not be feasible. Do your own research and make your own decisions.

Swage blocks may not be a worthwhile investment before you have an identifiable need for one. For sinking, use the end grain of a log. That will generate wood smoke, so ventilation is needed.

If you can weld, tongs can be fabricated cheaply and easily. Visit r/NJBA for my instructions for basic fabricated tongs. Then use your imagination to fabricate the kind you want.

Hammers or hammer heads can be purchased so cheaply at flea markets and garage sales that they can be considered as stock -- starting material -- for making other handled tools. Don't spend big bucks on a hammer until you really know what you're doing and know what you need.

I recommend buying one or more sets of cheap "pin punches" for punching holes. Drifts can be shop-made, and even mild steel will do, though you'll have to reforge them from time to time.

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GuardedDig2OP•

I’ve pinned the post so it will always show up first unless you brows with specific settings such as new posts or top posts. But generally this will be one of the first posts you see entering the sub. And yes I fully agree with you. Everyone has their own opinions and they often contradict each other.

I also recommend aprons for beginners due to the fact they often have issues holding stock. And aprons “usually” stop it from hitting the center of your body. But they can also be somewhat restrictive so again. Personal opinion on if they need to be worn.

When I write a section on top tools I’ll be sure to include the reforged hammer thing.

Thanks for the input I will add it to the list of changes. So far it’s far from perfect but it’s getting there!

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BF_2•

I just figure those scars from flying hot metal are like German university dueling scars. Real blacksmiths wear their scars proudly! /s

Seriously, most actual burns are either from flying flux or scale -- and relatively minor -- or from stupidly picking up black metal that happens to be 900F. Even setting your clothes on fire is usually no big deal -- if they're cotton or wool, not if their synthetics.

However, everybody should use whatever protection he feels comfortable with, providing he understands contrary reasons -- like why we recommend not wearing gloves most of the time.

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GuardedDig2OP•

Yes well said, knowing why you wear some ppe can be more effective at keeping you safe than wearing it but not understanding why. Because when you know the purpose you can understand what to avoid doing to keep yourself safe and mitigate risk

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grauwlithe•

In addition to a pinned post, might I recommend we fill in our wiki page? Especially if the amount of info grows beyond what a post can reasonably hold, the pinned post could become a set of links to wiki sections.

It's something I'd absolutely volunteer to help with if I wasn't so busy for the next couple months :(

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HolgerDanks•

Literature. Mark Aspery “ The skills of a blacksmith “ volumes 1-3. Alexander Weygers “The Complete Modern Blacksmith” etc.

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GuardedDig2OP•

Books yup. Gotta add those. Thanks

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linklolthe3•

I would like to add on; Have a class D fire extinguisher available at all times.

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No_Object_3542•

Awesome, this is coming along great! Adding a little section on ABANA (link?) might be good. Also some literature, as other people pointed out. Also, if you could take those links and condense them, so instead of:

vevor steel anvils https://www.vevor.com/collections/cast-steel-anvil?gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO5gjAKNNtYeR76yZrL6J3kWST0T5kbv_OxzLz9sxNDWYzpi5-SM37BoCxbgQAvD_BwE

We have Vevor steel anvils.

Just for cleaning up the post a bit. Also, some minor editing, but it's still being rewritten and added to now. And finally, could you maybe put the section titles in heading? Just keep the subsection titles bold, but make the sections bigger for clarity?

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GuardedDig2OP•

Good ideas! I didn’t think about embedding the links or enlarging the section titles. Good stuff thank you! Classes were mentioned along with ABANA in another comment so I figure I’ll add a section about that stuff I will get to those edits tonight

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No_Object_3542•

Awesome! I tried a bit of formatting and editing on the forges section. What do you think?

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GuardedDig2OP•

I like it. I will change it to that!

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Sardukar333•

Under anvil you should mention that wrought iron anvils exist, but are rare and not really produced anymore, but someone might still come across one.

Also the rule I wish I'd known about the 25:1 anvil:hammer weight ratio. I got lucky but wish I'd known beforehand.

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GuardedDig2OP•

Will do. Thanks. Along that lines I’ll add some anvil repair Info. When to and when not to do it. And how to do it.

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Sardukar333•

I could use the anvil repair info. I inherited the family anvil and it's just on the edge of needing repair.

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Christopher_Fay2•

My anvil is 50 kg but a 2 kg would be well to heavy for me, am I missing something?

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Sardukar333•

The weight of the anvil limits the hammer. You can use a watchmakers hammer on a 300 lb anvil just fine.

A heavier hammer will allow the smith to move the metal faster; there's a blacksmith near me that uses a 20lb hammer, he calls it Mjolnir.

Attaching a heavy base to the anvil so that their is no freedom between the two can make the anvil act as a heavier anvil, but it isn't so simple as attaching a 100 lb stand to add 100lbs. There will still be losses depending on how it's attached and the geometry of the stand.

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converter-bot•

50.0 kg is 110.13 lbs

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alphabeticdisorder•

Hey, I have two PPE questions I've never gotten a satisfactory answer on, and I'm curious what the consensus here is.

  1. Are face shields considered an alternative to safety glasses, or intended to be used in addition? I love my face shield because it doesn't fog up and is convenient, and while hammering stuff any debris doesn't have enough momentum to feel like the mask is inadequate. But I'm curious what the "official" practice is.

  2. Gloves in use with an angle grinder. I asked a blacksmith instructor at an introductory course a couple years ago, and he said "that's an interesting question," then walked off without answering. My perception is there's not enough machinery to suck a hand in even if the force is adequate, and the normal cutting danger to the hands is pretty significant. But there again, what's the official stance?

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GuardedDig2OP•

Face shields are an addition not a replacement. The reason is debris and stuff can get between the shield and your face. And get into the eyes. Safety glasses are still important.

It depends what your doing. With a cutting or grind disk gloves that are fairly well fitting are probably fine. If your using a wire wheel for example there should not be gloves worn. Those will suck you in

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araed•

Okay, I'm a degree-educated blacksmith. I spent four years at college and university learning the skills, and I hold a bachelor of arts with honours in the subject. I've also spent half my life working in industrial settings, with wood, steel, and most every other material I can think of.

Safety specs are the single most important piece of PPE you will ever own. They can put your foot back together, but they still can't put your eye back together. I recommend buying a pair that wrap around, have a soft padded section, and a head strap. This stops shite from flicking under the specs and into your eyes. They're expensive, but so are your eyes. Face shields absolutely are not a replacement for spectacles, and should only be considered an additional piece of PPE. Frankly, I've rarely used a face shield, but I wouldn't walk into the shop without safety specs on.

On gloves and angle grinders:

My general rule is "no gloves with rotary equipment". A slitting(cutting disk, 1mm/.5mm thick) disk will cut through your finger, but if it grabs a glove, it'll mulch your hand. Now, a welding gauntlet (that's well-fitted, I recommend parweld Panthers) will typically not get grabbed, but that's not a guarantee. I'd aim for the sparks to be pointing away from me at all times, and never use a grinder without a guard on it. Considering that, in a usual day, I'll change my grinder from cutting, to grinding, polishing, wire-wheeling, and a few other bits, I stick with "no gloves". Last thing you want is a wire-wheel grabbing your glove and turning your hand into a mulchy paste.

Shoes:

Buy some good quality steel toecap boots, with chemical/oil/heat resistant soles and toe covers. They'll be worth their weight in gold.

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ModernCracker•

A degree in Blacksmithing?! That rules

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grauwlithe•

I think a proper glove (like you mentioned a well fitting welding gauntlet) in combination with proper use of an angle grinder is ok. your hands should be nowhere near the spinning disk, and the glove will protect you from flying shards. Especially when using a wire wheel in an angle grinder, those wires flying off will embed themselves in your skin.

Chances of disk failure is much higher than chance of one of my hands finding their way into the path of the disk under power.

Any time I'm intentionally putting my hands/fingers anywhere near a spinning disk/grinder/etc though, no gloves of course.

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StokednHammered•

My advise to beginners will always be find and take some classes. It helps you understand exactly what tools would be essential. ABANA is usually a good start to searching for blacksmiths nearby that may also teach. ABANA Affiliates Directory

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GuardedDig2OP•

Classes completely skipped my mind. I will add that to the list soon

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WandererInTheNight•

Very happy to see that someone finally did this and got it stickied. Everything you have said is great, but I think a bit more about kaowool/refractory insulation wouldn't be amiss. Here is a picture I show people when they ask about PPE. Definitely worth a thousand words.

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For my obligatory book recommendations:

The Art of Blacksmithing, Alex Bealer

The Shop from Scrap series of books by David Gingery

Also note that archive.org is a good source for relevant, if dated texts on many subjects. example

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As a random guy who's looking to start smithing, that vevor is a big doubt after about 2 seconds on their website. The site can't even load properly, and when you see a sentence like this: "Our steel anvil got two kinds of color(blue or black)in our warehouse,we will ship it randomly."

Well... No thanks.

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GuardedDig2OP•

The cast steel anvil linked are good. I have one of theirs and I can vouch for the fact it’s steel and of decent quality. There are thousands of reviews on YouTube. You can get it else where Vevor is just the cheapest as they are the importers. But there’s other options linked if you’d rather

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gari109•

BASICS/FUNDAMENTALS/FORGE CONSTRUCTION

WATCH THIS FIRST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKbNayoAbo

Building a Propane Forge:

https://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml

Building a simple Brake Drum SOLID FUEL Forge:

http://www.blacksmithingforbeginners.com/building-a-brake-drum-forge/

Blacksmith Joey van der Steeg:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQXBXA3pXM5A-skemMLMrug

Heat Treating Basics:

http://www.cashenblades.com/heattreatment.html

Heat Treating Procedure:

http://ia801408.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.ntis.ava08799vnb1/ava08799vnb1\_512kb.mp4

Kevin Cashen HT guidebook:

https://knifedogs.com/threads/your-heat-treating-tool-box.22568/

Artist Blacksmith Association of North America Fundamentals:

https://abana.org/education/controlled-hand-forging/

Basic Blacksmithing training manual, J. B.Stokes:

http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/ah637e/AH637E00.htm

DECORATIVE/ARCHITECTURAL (In progress)

Fantastic architectural work PDF courtesy of Arlin (Late 1800's):

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292897034606870530/455924242521915404/architecturalwro00kentuoft.pdf

METALLURGY/HISTORICAL STEEL MAKING

Steel Sourcing:

http://newjerseysteelbaron.com/

Material Sourcing:

http://www.hightemptools.com/index.html

FANTASTIC BLACKSMITHING BOOKS:

https://bluemoonpress.org/index.php/?SID=rjmcmdmu04jvtjqncl7l14aqo2

Forum for Blacksmithing:

https://www.iforgeiron.com/

Dictionary an Glossary of Blacksmithing terms:

http://www.anvilfire.com/FAQs/glos\_faq\_trans\_index.htm

Verhoven (A Legend) Metallurgy of Steel for Bladesmiths & Others

who Heat Treat and Forge Steel:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060502161518/http://mse.iastate.edu/files/verhoeven/7-5.pdf

http://hybridburners.com/documents/verhoeven.pdf

Engineering Handbook (Lots of Metallurgical goodness):

http://www.isibang.ac.in/\~library/onlinerz/resources/Enghandbook.pdf

Melting temperatures of various metals:

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d\_860.html

Out of copyright blacksmithing books:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blacksmith/comments/38uxe7/free\_google\_play\_blacksmith\_books/

Set of historical steel making books on google (free):

http://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Overman%2C%20Frederick%2C%201803-1852%22

https://books.google.com/books?vid=086KoyDi4UgMie-bccG&id=RfgJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en

https://books.google.com/books?vid=086KoyDi4UgMie-bccG&id=RfgJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en

https://books.google.com/books?id=EQsKAAAAIAAJ

-LEE SAUDER/BLOOM/HEARTH STEEL

https://www.leesauder.com/

Bloom Build:

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/furnace%20construction.pdf

Basics of Bloomery Smelting:

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/basics\_of\_bloom.pdf

Practical Bloom Smelting (2001):

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/MRS%20final.pdf

Practical Bloom Smelting Updated (2010):

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/Practical%20Treatise%20update.pdf

Aristotle/Hearth Steel Furnace:

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/Aristotle%27s%20Steel.pdf

Cementation analysis:

https://www.leesauder.com/pdfs/Quickie%20Cementation.pdf

All this and more on the r/blacksmith discord server.

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gari109•

PATTERN WELDING/MOKUME/DAMASCUS (In progress)

Mokume Gane:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.190.5545&rep=rep1&type=pdf

How to etch Damascus Steel:

https://flatlineforge.com/2020/12/10/etching-steel/

TOOL MAKING/MOUNTING

Tool mounting help guide (includes power hammers, grinders, lathes, etc):

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292897034606870530/338868883119144980/lec09.pdf

Heat Treat Kiln Build:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bladesmith/comments/2r1khw/kiln\_build\_per\_request/

DIY 2x72 Grinder:

https://dcknives.blogspot.com/p/2-x-72-belt-grinder.html

Machinability comparison chart:

http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-machinability.htm

Readings

Fundamentals of Blacksmithing - Mark Aspery http://www.markaspery.com/School\_of\_Blacksmithing/Book\_1.html

Free blacksmith book downloads - http://www.bamsite.org/books/books.html

Backyard Blacksmith - Lorelei Sims

Skills/Project Suggestions/Recommendations

Skills Development Curriculum - https://abana.org/education/controlled-hand-forging/

Project for beginner skills - Nail header & nails

Forge welding skills - Flux spoon

Sword skills - Make a knife first

Blade Corner

Blade steels & heat treatment - https://knifesteelnerds.com/getting-started/

Japanese Types & Styles - http://zknives.com/knives/kitchen/misc/usetype/all/index.shtml

Knifemaking Links & Resources - http://www.logiudicecustomknives.com/makinglinks/

Multiple pages of blade templates - http://dcknives.blogspot.com/p/knife-templates-3.html

Heat Treatment Supplies

Parks 50 Quenching oil (source inside) - https://onemansblog.com/2016/03/14/where-to-get-parks-50-maxim-50-blade-quench-oil/

Gas Forges / Ovens

Zoeller forge tutorial - https://web.archive.org/web/20111116150246/http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/forge.tutorial.htm

Forge parts & burners - http://zoellerforge.com/index.html

Venturi Burners - http://hybridburners.com/

Anvilfire Venturi - https://www.anvilfire.com/21centbs/products/P-75/?fbclid=IwAR2mL-QhXIMf3axnYvhtM4YHZTSK7SdMy7Hwf0rPsjdSwHDMNuW5Tfl60H8

Commercial Ribbon Burners - https://www.pineridgeburner.com/

Mr Volcano Gas Forge (@Mrvolcano_us on IG) - https://mrvolcano.com/

Chili Forge - https://chileforge.com/

Heat Treat Oven Build - https://ibuildit.ca/projects/heat-treatment-oven/

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gari109•

Beginner Recommendations
Anvils
Upright railroad track (Google Anvilfire)
Large embedded 12lb+ sledge hammer (recommended)
Any large chunk of steel (search eBay for 1045 steel, also see link below)
New anvils from retailer (not Harbor Freight)
Ask a local machine shop to buy a large steel chunk
Hammers
2 lb. Nordic Hammer - From Centaur Forge or Amazon
Any Brent Bailey hammer (around 2 lbs)
Tongs
3/8" bolt tongs
Wolf jaw tongs
Quick & Dirty Tongs
Ken's Custom Iron Quick Tongs
Starting Steels
Assorted 1/4" - 3/4" (6mm-19mm) mild steel in square and round stock
1/4" x 1" flat bar, 3/8" x 1" flat bar
1045/5160 for tool steel
5160/1075/1084 for blade steel
Steel
Blade Steels - https://newjerseysteelbaron.com/
Admiral Steel - http://admiralsteel.com/
Dictum (Japanese steels) - https://www.dictum.com/en/
McMaster Carr - https://www.mcmaster.com/metals
Tool Steel of California - https://toolsteelservice.com/
Online Metals - https://www.onlinemetals.com/
Atlantic33 Tool Steel - http://www.atlanticsteelcorp.com/services.html
Sb Specialty Metals (exotic steels) - http://sb-specialty-metals.com/
eBay Steel (1045/4140) - https://www.ebay.com/str/oaklandsteel/
Retail Anvils
Atlas Knifemaker
TFS Anvil
Centaur Forge
Engraving/Chasing/Repoussé
Japanese style - https://www.ganoksin.com/article/japanese-chasing-tools/
Gravers - https://www.grs.com/
Nunome Zogan - http://www.smokingsamurai.com/NONUME\_ZOGAN.html
Armorsmithing
Techniques of Medieval Armour Reproduction - http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=Brian+Price+Techniques+Of+Medieval+Armour+Reproduction%3A+The+14th+Century
Grinder Info
Motor info - https://dcknives.blogspot.com/p/grinder-motors.html
Accesorries & Parts
Rivets & Bolts - https://www.blacksmithbolt.com/
Hammer wedges - http://www.tacofasteners.com/products.html
Axe & Round wedges - https://www.shforestrysupplies.com/advancedwebpage.aspx?cg=2557&cd=4&SBCatPage=
Custom leather drive belts - http://www.leatherdrivebelts.com/2.html
Japanese Related Resources
Japanese Natural Stones, Kanji, & Info - https://historyrazors.wordpress.com/2017/03/31/kanji-japanese-natural-stones/
Japanese sword making supplies - https://www.namikawa-ltd.com/
Japanese metalwork - http://followingtheironbrush.org/index.php
Japanese Sakai Knife Info - https://www.korin.com/site/PDFs/KORINKNIFECATALOG\_CLICKABLE.pdf
Playlists
Bladesmith stuff - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvQwRbvPS1\_i9uX18LavF3wpirIHEbyQa
Katana related - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvQwRbvPS1\_g4AtyTISdkCs81XEqDJFN-
Blacksmith stuff - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvQwRbvPS1\_hUfbtSjjQlyIeo-797TLJn
Craftmanship related - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvQwRbvPS1\_jVjhdxffmKVn6OlucXsgO4
Honesuki /Yakitori - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvQwRbvPS1\_gpUtlSxivwgQwwo08bZz5M
Videos
JABOD Forge - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-R6iY-mY-Y
Channels
Blacksmithing:
Mark Aspery - https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkAspery
Torbjörn Åhman - https://www.youtube.com/user/torbjornahman
Brent Bailey - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmJ3R3FIdB247BBCNWqVkPQ
Japanese woodworking - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOzQZI\_wz4O\_je8KpgIzMDw
Storyboards

How to crown your hammer - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/761486870881239070

Various storyboards (including tools, tongs, blades, cutters, compass) - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/632269050487111690

Half-round twist tongs - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/597905153517158408

(Metal - https://www.kingmetalscatalog.com/lg\_display.cfm/catalog/2019\_Master\_Catalog\_vol\_48/page/607/highlight/half%20round%20bar)

Cutting snips - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/599037361937973261

Axe & cutters /shears - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/738482019125821652

Ring making storyboards - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/592924558776991747

Charts & Graphs

Mokume Gane Compatibility Table - https://discordapp.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/744699258996916285

Japanese Engraver/Chisel Shapes & Geometries - https://discord.com/channels/251051817398435841/251054378062970880/798294831167176714

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BambusleitungTV•

why should you avoid gloves? these are so important while forging

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GuardedDig2OP•

Anything that falls inside Gets stuck and sits and burns you. Vs it just brushed you and falls away without gloves. On your hammer hand they generally cause you to grip too hard which can lead to things like tennis elbow. If you accidentally touch something hot they shrink and if they aren’t loose to begin with they get stuck and burn you. If they shrink and you can’t get them off immediately they will burn you worse than If you just brushed against the metal normally in most cases. Because you cannot just pull your hand away from the heat. They also get you in the habit of grabbing things that are hotter than you should be grabbing. Which leads to the burns occasionally and if there’s a hole or you don’t have a glove you may grab something hot out of habit and burn yourself.

The only times you should wear gloves when forging is when you are punching holes with a hand held punch or drifting holes. Or similar situations where your hand is fairly close to the hot metal. Even then it should only be on the side holding the punch not hammer hand

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BambusleitungTV•

i have a habit of grabbing my tongs with a welding glove, and the hammer hand with a normal working glove. i work in a tight area, so im always near the forge. the gloves protect me from the hot air around the metal and the forge. the hammer hand-glove gives me a lot more grip and i dont have to worry that much, of grabbing anything hot, because the only thing i grab is the tong (after every heat i cool my tongs in water)

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araed•

During my degree, gloves were banned. They wreck your wrists, and if you grab something hot with gloves, then you're developing bad habits.

Over time, you'll build a resistance to the heat, and learn how to position yourself so you don't burn yourself.

Gloves are a super bad habit.

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BambusleitungTV•

not necessarily. forgewelding damascus by hand without gloves is a nightmare. when hot borax flys across the room, then you might consider wearing a glove 😁

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LordOfLightingTech•

Really appreciate this post! Lots of great info in here for a begginer.

I see on Vevor they only have up to 66lbs anvils available atm.

Would you mind giving me your input on wether such a light anvil would be viable at all? Or your opinion on anvil weights in general?

Again thank you for this amazing post.

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GuardedDig2OP•

Hi, the 66 lb is perfectly acceptable to start out with. It is by far their most popular size. There are tons of people who are happy with them. Plus it’s cheap enough that if you aren’t happy with it your. It out a lot of money. And when they are on the lighter side it’s easier to move them if you need to pull it out of the garage to forge or something like that

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LordOfLightingTech•

Thank you for taking the time to respond and thank you again for making such a comprehensive post!

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RvbberDvcky•

I'm new to forging, and have some questions.

I'm wearing compression gloves due to arthritis, so I have leather gloves on top of them. How loose do the leather gloves need to be in case of heat shrinkage? The current pair don't have a significant amount of room.

Do I need to worry about UV protection (especially for my eyes) with a gas forge?

Are normal plastic lensed prescription glasses acceptable for eye protection, or not up to snuff?

Is a surgical mask a bad idea while forging?

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GuardedDig2OP•

Hi, sorry for the delayed response, you should have enough room so that you can easily pull it off or even “whip” your arm and they fall off. May seem annoying but it’s much better than a badly burned hand.

Don’t stare into the forge all the time and you should be fine. It doesn’t hurt to wear uv protecting glasses though

They should be fine. But I would get some of the ones that go over top to be sure the prescription ones aren’t damaged. Unless they are fairly cheap.

Masks should be fine. Just be sure you can breath through it easily.

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Just found this last week when I went to the eye doctors.

Didymium safety glasses........

They are made especially for glass blowers and people that use propane forges.

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borbersk•

thanks for this, but i still have a few questions. what kind of blowtorches will work to cut through, or at least weaken steel, and what kind of metal can i use a hacksaw on? also, what are some good places to find scrap?
edit: also, what about angle grinders, drills, files, and stuff like that? how picky should i be when i'm picking out the tools? at what point does cost outweigh quality? and which tools are necessary, as opposed to just for polishing?

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GuardedDig2OP•

Handheld propane torches won’t cut thorough anything other than maybe a tin can. For flame cutting you need oxypropane or oxyacetylene. Hacksaws will work ok softer metals and any non hardened steel. Other than perhaps stainless. Scrap can be found at scrap yards or on Facebook marketplace/ Craigslist. Or if your looking for knife steels check local automotive repair shops for old springs. They are cheap or free often. For angle grinders drills go for medium quality if you can. And go for as high of an amperage as you can. Like a 7 amp instead of a 4 amp grinder for example. It helps with metal working. Files are worth buying good quality with.

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borbersk•

Cool. Thanks

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kozmonyet•

If I were to add one thing it would be that there is more terrible forge-building information/designs out there in the cyber world than good so do diligent research with reliable peer-reviewed sources before committing to a forge build design. Don't assume that a youtube video that looks slickly done means they got it right.

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SubieB503•

Are there any other gas forges you recommend other than devil's forge?

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2AFuentes•

Thanks for the info

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Velikom•

Lol i just wear my khaki shorts and crocs

Then again, i have gotten hot scale in my crocs and damn does that suck

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