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drbuttstuff3

Low T after Chemyo Ostarine and MK677 cycle

30 yo M I ran Ostarine 25 mg/day and MK677 20 mg/day for 10 weeks and got great results but the labs I just got back have got me worried about my HPTA rebound.

At the end of my cycle (2/8/21) my levels were:

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS 514

TESTOSTERONE, FREE 119

FSH of 6.3 and LH of 8.7

Estradiol 16

Wouldn't you expect my T to be surpressed at this point from running a SARM for 10 weeks?

Just got my lab results (4/6/21) after running Nolva 4 weeks then ralox for 4 weeks (got sensitive nipples and slight Gyno that went away with PCT)

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 169 L

TESTOSTERONE, FREE 20 L

estradiol 20

Im obviously concerned because I feel like my T should have rebounded by now 8 weeks post cycle with the SERMs. My baseline levels are always well into the normal-high range. I have clomid on hand which might increase my FSH/LH and help restart my HPA axis. I don't really feel any symptoms of Low T but I have been only sleeping about 4-5 hours a night. Could the lack of sleep plus overtraining be the cause of such a low T level? Should I get a new set of labs? This discrepancy in test levels after 8 weeks of no AAS doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted Apr 8, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC · edited

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goodsirrr19•
  1. Do you have LH and FSH labs?
  2. Were any of these labs finger prick?
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drbuttstuff3OP•

On 2/8 my results were FSH of 6.3 and LH of 8.7 (both on the high end of normal). I just got test and estrogen now because I wasn't too worried at the time. Maybe my PCTs are just fucked? I got them from peptide pros.

Blood draw tests.But later in the day when T levels are supposedly lower.

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goodsirrr19•

Testosterone levels should not drop that much even later during the day. I would be more concerned with your pct.

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drbuttstuff3OP•

I agree. But even if my PCTs are fucked my Test shouldn't have dropped that much. The lowest point of natural test should've been at my first test point. What do you suggest? Switching to clomid?

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goodsirrr19•

It's not that you got bucked PCT that doesn't work. The problem is that you got something else that instead fucked up your testosterone.its your call, most would suggest nova from a trusted source. If I was you, i would not use that company again. Do you have any other PCT from a different company?

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goodsirrr19•

Where did you buy your sarms , Nova and clomid?

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threesquirtsofmayo•

In for answers, you'd think it would've leveled out after two months plus pct! It's mid day right now but when night time comes Imma pray for you man

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drbuttstuff3OP•

Honestly I'm kinda worried but not too worried. If my natural test levels were that high 8 weeks ago there are very few things that can shut me down permanently in that short of a time.

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threesquirtsofmayo•

Yeah it's surprising for sure, always read you bounce back after a few weeks from 2866! I'm sure it'll be fine

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SickSour•

I have seen it take 6 months to a year to bring levels back to normal for others. I would really focus on sleep and diet. Have good saturated fats for hormone production and good nutrient intake. I would be eating calories at break even or maintenance levels.

Also, working out temporarily lowers T significantly. Next time, take a rest day the day before you get blood drawn and get good sleep.

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drbuttstuff3OP•

LH 13.7 (high)
FSH 12.5 (high)
Test Total 1150 (high)
Estradiol 83 (high, but expected)

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goodsirrr19•

Are you experiencing any Low testosterone symptoms?

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drbuttstuff3OP•

I’m just a little tired but I attributed that to sleeping 4 hours a day and lifting and training 3 hours a day.

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Tyrannical_Turret•

And that right there is why your T levels are crushed. Sleep more, train less and more effectively

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chowizard•

This. I wish more people would do this.

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F4ACE•

You’d get more benefit sleeping 7hours and training 1.

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lobcock2•

Sarms do not “suppress” you like an AAS cycle would. When they bind to the receptors, your body decides it doesn’t need any test. Your SHBG will crash, since there is no calls for the taxi, and consequently as you use up your E2, you don’t replenish it as fast since the largest amount is made by aromatization of test. You’ll crash your E2, SHBG and test if you go too long.

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drbuttstuff3OP•

Update: after a couple of weeks of 100 mg clomid and 20 mg nolva from expressPCT my new labs that I got yesterday have came back. I wasn't able to take them super early in the morning but still got them done at 9 am. I have been sleeping slightly better, roughly 6-7 hours a night.

LH 13.7 (high)

FSH 12.5 (high)

Test Total 1150 (high)

Estradiol 83 (high, but expected)

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So sleep and training and time of blood draw a huge difference. A huge enough difference to shut you all the way down. Also, ExpressPCT is legit.

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