Please give us Logic Pro X on iPad Pro with M1 chip. I will seriously buy a new iPad pro when you do that. I am sure a lot of iPad owners will buy Logic if it comes out on the iPad and the new market will be huge!
Posted Apr 21, 2021, 9:45 AM UTC
Yeah I’ve been wondering: now that the iPad Pro is a Mac (running iPadOS), and the M1 Macs can run iPad apps, what does this mean? Can it run Logic? Xcode?
That is their long term plan I guess by switching the architecture. The only question is: when iPadOS and macOS do merge, will iPadOS become and open plattform like macOS without being forced to use the AppStore or will it be the other way around.
I’m actually wondering if their long plan is to have the iPad work like a Mac when docked and an iPad when undocked. The big news last year was that macOS runs on iPad hardware. The lesser news from today is that iPadOS runs on that same hardware. So the hardware merge is complete. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in June at the developer event. The visual look of macOS is already merged and there are some visual cues that make it look touch compatible. If they do merge the two it will still happen over years but I think we are maybe 1 year into a 3-4 year roadmap.
There's a certain (ahem) logic to this, but the big questions about the stuff underlying the OS are still there. iPad simply can't be a viable standalone machine for professionals (in particular: developers, researchers, scientists) without adopting the openness of the Mac: terminals, visible file systems, allowing arbitrary programs and scripts to run, etc.
So when we say "works like an iPad undocked" does that mean they're going to significantly open up the walled garden? Or will a bunch of features just shut off when it's being used as a tablet? Will they have entirely separate file systems and apps depending on which mode you're using it in? The details are really hard to get right here.
I’m thinking it’s more that the UI adapts and that iPadOS gets less locked down (which seems to be where things are headed, in a controlled way) and macOS becomes more locked down with the two meeting in the middle.
This makes the most sense to me
Definitely not imho. I reckon it’s more likely that there will be universal apps which run on both, there’s no way they’d open up iPad OS itself and lose the App Store, it’s far too valuable for them.
It isn’t. Windows went that way and it sucks. Apps are either designed for touchscreens or for a mouse. Not both.
Honestly I think controlling everything by touch screen would be harder.
I only see mobility as an advantage. And I record at home. How much more mobile is an ipad than a laptop?
Maybe whole new tools / UIs / instruments that respond really well to touch would be a great use. Buy trying to adjust things by 0.1db on the screen sounds worse.
Honestly I think controlling everything by touch screen would be harder.
Depends, there's a lot of stuff that I think would be awesome to handle with touch. Pinch-zooming in on tracks, using the Apple Pencil to draw in automation rather than using a mouse, using the mixer like an actual mixer (similar to Logic Remote but not having to use Logic Remote), etc.
If they made some sorta haptic feedback for knobs/sliders that would make using them by touch a fuckton easier
Mixer I agree with. That seems like the biggest win with a touch screen. But I think you can already do that with the Logic Remote app or whatever it’s called. I have not tried it yet.
I mix live events on an Ipad often- but never by choice. Mixing on a touch screen really limits you to doing one thing at a time. Kinda tough to ride a fader you can't feel.
Where they really shine, though, is being able to walk the room for system tuning and dialing in monitor mixes while next to the artist, at their wedge (as opposed to yelling across a loud stage and hand signals).
They could copy Samsung Dex in this regard. Switch to a desktop mode on demand. I think that would be awesome, but I am guessing this will never play out sadly.
Well apple is really pushing their accessories for the iPad so you could be able to choose between easy touching or detailed controlling with a mouse or a track pad.
Of course the mobility is a good point, but for my daily workflow (taking notes in classes and writing songs) an iPad is just easier and if I could buy an iPad and not be limited on my production (because of the lack of Logic Pro X) it would really help me.
For the same specs it can cost less to buy an iPad Air as an accessory with a MacBook, than a Pro with magic keyboard. Then you can use touch with Logic remote/sidecar and get a whole second display.
To me that makes more sense. Use the iPad for specific windows, piano roll, touch keyboard, and the whole DAW on a Mac with a bigger screen.
Agreed, especially since keyboard shortcuts are essential for working quickly.
You can use keyboards with iPads.. since the first iPad, 11 years ago
I've thought about it, but in practice think would be disastrous. Logic is screen space hungry, and no iPad can cut it.
Throw in all the 3rd party plugins issue and...what's the point.
Agreed. Unless you can support a large area of monitors and ports for interface, iPad support is untenable.
Imagine using your iPad with a large monitor when doing 90% of your work and then making a quick adjustment on it on the go. Doesn’t need to be the absolute best way to make music to be useful in it without syncing huge files over cloud and such.
Y’all act like GarageBand hasn’t been on iPad for a decade too.. or lots of other DAWs.
Oh no I understand, and of course I used to use Atari ST stuff in the 80s/90s which had a ‘hi-res’ mono screen of about 640x400 from memory.
But those were things designed around its restrictions. Same for iOS DAWs. They’re not ports of Logic. I can easily see how all the live loops and whatever could work, but Logic as it stands today - naah, just use something better designed for the space.
I'd really prefer if they didn't force themselves to split their attention between Logic being a professional product and an iPad app. It'll completely screw up plugin and hardware support for little to no gain. The screen real estate demands for Logic are already pretty hungry, which will also end up worse if they have to biggen everything up for proper touch support.
Garageband is already a pretty viable iOS DAW anyway.
As much as I would like the idea of Logic on an iPad, I just don’t see the workflow being great with a touchscreen. All I really use my iPad for is for additional instruments or Logic remote. I wish they’d add the arrangement view to Logic remote, would be helpful when working with backing tracks
This will never happen. It makes no sense from a business standpoint. Why give people less reasons to buy macs? One big reason why Logic exists and is so cheap is to sell macs — they are not going to take this away to sell less expensive machines.
It costs more on iPad when you factor in the accessories. I just jumped on Apple website chose 1TB on both m1 MBP 13” and the IPP 1tb and the latter was $100 more in price in AUD.
Personally I would like to take this M1 iPad to recording sessions in other studios to track and then bring it back to my Mac Mini. Have my portable device's main focus be portability and my work device focus on performance and IO.
That raises an interesting question: Would people pay $200 for an iPad app, even one as powerful as Logic?
Why would they? The casual iPad owner has no intention of making serious music, and GarageBand is plenty full featured enough for any casual user to make music. Most professionals have no intention of using an iPad as their main production workstation, so they aren’t going to pay for it either. Who does that leave? 4 or 5 people in the comments here who think it’s a great idea?
How do they support plugins? Without a redesign they are all floating windows currently
That would be amaze
While there, can they also give us Steamworx for Alchemy? That’s a pack I’ve been NEEDING
please not. why do the extra extra work to make logic run on it? I mean the controls and shit.
... and upgradeable RAM and HD please? Pretty close to dropping apple omg. Sick of this.
Lol try replacing the ram and HD on an HP notebook, or a Microsoft one, or an Acer. Soldered ram and HD are the standard because better efficiency and smaller formfactor.
So it’s more efficient than a desktop? I doubt it. Must be 90% just for form factor no?
I don't really understand why we're talking about desktops as I mean it from a mobility perspective but hey gl bringing a pc everywhere you go.
haha, yeah... just exploring all avenues
No Apple, please do not do this. It will be a complete waste of time and resources, it will actually detract from Logic as a product, and I sure as fuck am not willing to lose any compatibility so a few enthusiastic beat makers can load up logic on an iPad. Terrible idea.
its a great idea, its all on arm 🤷♂️
That has to be their plan, I’d be amazed if they don’t