Posted May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC
The goblet of fire is an automatic unbreakable vow. I imagine if Harry didn’t show up for the second task, Dumbledore would have gotten him anyways.
I now have an image of Dumbledore holding Harry’s head under the water telling him, “it’s a magical binding contract, Harry!”
Calmly, of course
It begs the question then: why stop contestants from dying during the tasks?
I think something very bad would have happened to Harry, and perhaps it would have been death. This scheme of Voldemort's to get Harry into the Tournament and to the graveyard is very convoluted, risky and complex. Voldemort knew about the Tournament from Bertha Jorkins, and if there was a good chance that Dumbledore could have simply disregarded the Goblet spitting out Harry's name or Harry choosing not to compete, then I doubt Voldemort comes up with this scheme.
But if he died as penalty for refusing to compete then Voldemort couldn't have used his blood.
I've always wondered what would happen had Harry deliberately flubbed his tasks.
The goblet enforces the participation of all contestants, but it says nothing about forbidding contestants from behaving like jackasses during tasks.
I was hoping Harry would use his summoning spell in the first task to grab Snape and fling him toward the dragon.
And for the second task, what if Harry deliberately angered the merfolk enough to provoke them to attack the contestants?
And for the third task, if he hasn't been labeled criminally insane by then, what if he plays a game of hide-and-stun with everyone until the headmaster calls off the whole thing?
Some good-natured mischief (or probably ill-natured in these examples) would have saved Cedric's life and prevented Voldy from arising anew.
Accio can't be used on humans, unfortunately.
As for your bottom point though, Moody would still have been active throughout the Maze, but even assuming Cedric could get to the cup, I reckon Cedric would still die, Voldemort would have been in a rage that Harry didn't arrive.
What’s baby Voldy gonna do lol
Instead of yelling "Kill the Spare" as happened, he'll just yell "Kill him" instead, and Wormtail will still cast Avada Kedavra
I kinda think that would have been a death sentence, according to the rules of the cup. Dumbledore’s forewarning at the Cup’s introduction in the Great Hall makes me think this
I think if it’s based in the Unbreakable Vow, Harry is now caught between a rock and a hard place. If he participates, there’s a strong chance he could die, but if he doesn’t participate, he’d be breaking the vow, and he definitely would die.
Importantly, either of these deaths means Harry wouldn’t die in the proper way and if he had put his name in intentionally, he’d be risking the possibility of Voldemort never being defeated. Arguably, Dumbledore very much has the right to be angry if that possibility could come around.
I thought they intentionally put a stop to the being able to die whilst doing the tasks, like the dragon couldn't have straight up incinerated the competitors.
That’s possible. I’m finishing up PoA and I’ll be onto Goblet soon enough so I can check on that.
The movie tried to make it make more sense. That awesome little scene between DD, MG, and Snape. Where MG begs DD to not let Potter compete and Snape says to let the events unfold for the time being because he thinks something deeper is happening and they need to discover what it is.
It’s weak, but it tries to make it make sense for why DD let Harry continue in the tournament.
Pretty sick, the kid didn't really know how to defend himself.
Have you met Dumbledore? He left Harry in the hands of the Dursley’s.
As much as Snape would like to think DD coddles Harry, he really doesn’t and Snape I think kinda realizes this in the end: “you’ve been raising him like a pig for slaughter.”
It’s not explicitly said what would happen; however, whenever this comes up most people are agreed that entering your name into the goblet constitutes a sort of contract, similar to an Unbreakable Vow though the consequences may be less severe than death. I think it’s an oversight of the magical programming of the goblet that Harry didn’t put his own name in and therefore didn’t intend to enter into a contract, and that someone did it on his behalf.
Seems crazy that it's something that can't be undone, seems severe for what it is.