City vs Hwy range - why don't we use these? ICE vehicles already do, and it would make less people sad.
Posted May 19, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC
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A 2021 jeep costs 47,000!? Makes the money I spent on my Tesla seem not so bad..
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47,000 Maple syrup dollars (Canadian)
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Well.. 39,000 USD is a bit better, but still...
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We have a 2019 Cherokee. The things a piece of shit. No guts. You out your foot down and literally wait 3 seconds for it to push forward. It's dangerous on the freeway.
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Repairs...
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Canadian rubles.
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I mean, I’d prefer maple syrup money as opposed to the USD which according to one study was almost always coated with trace amounts of cocaine.
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Nice headlights…
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Please explain ICE
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Water when it drops below 32 degrees Fahrenheit at sea level pressure.
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That’s the one I knew
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Internal Combustion Engine
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Thanks
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City & town driving for EVs in stop & go-regen will increase the range. Stop & Go for ICE will cause more wear & tear on the parts besides more pollution.
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That jeep has awful efficiency. It’s 27mpg at best and 19mpg at worse!
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That’s actually pretty decent for a V6 suv
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What's criminal is that someone would buy a Cherokee for 50k
/Cherokee driver that hates it and thankfully is done with it shortly
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8.6 hwy god damn!!!! On a 2021. That’s criminal!!!
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It's 28mpg it's not that bad, is it? (I've been EV land for a while...)
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It's solid for a non hybrid SUV
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Btw, it's so interesting to me (as the poster of this) that it's totally neutral on points, but has tons of comments. Is that normal?
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We do. The epa ratings are available for city and highway but tesla doesnt advertise them. But you can lock them up
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2021 SR+ came with a paper print out of 150 mpgE city and 132 mpgE highway. Realistically I had to knock off 10 mpgE either way and depends on price of petrol and what mpg you compare to.
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People aren't confused by this on hybrids such as the prius.
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True, but wouldn't that start a discussion that people are going to have any way? The downside right now is that we post a certain range, and then nobody ever hits that range in real life, because they don't drive the Perfect Blend of 60/40. In my scenario people would say yeah I mostly drive around the city and it exceeds that range posted. Or I go on road trips, and exceeds that range.
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regen
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It’s listed on my window sticker:
2018 model 3 long range
136 MPGe city
123 MPGe highway
Exactly, it is listed. It still doesn’t help much because the EPA definition of highway is not the 70-80mph driving that everyone wants to do.
That's also true for the Jeep though. Drag increases significantly as the speed goes up.
Yeah I agree. Gas cars have not done a good job of achieving EPA ratings “in the real world” ever since turbocharging, 8-9spd transmissions, and the other aggressive optimizations manufacturers did.
They’re meant to be a standardized test to give a number you can compare across manufacturers. Not a statement of how much real world efficiency you can get.
Last car I had that actually achieved it's EPA rating was an '82 Honda Civic, though my Nissan Quest gets damn close to what it said on the sticker.
Heh. Is it more like 55mph highway and 30mph city? What numbers do they use?
I assume they take stop and go into account with city as well?
Shouldn’t slower speed (city driving) consume less than highway speeds?
That is correct. That’s why the city has 13 more miles MPGe than highway.
Brain fart. I calculate consumption as higher = worse.
Good to know! I guess I'd forgotten!
Will look it up for 2020 MY, cause I can't remember.
Edit: I can't seem to find it online (the VIN number window sticker websites didn't work). Curious if anyone has the info for 2020 Model Y?
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=42474&id=42916&id=42816
This is super helpful, thanks!
But what I was thinking was having an actual range number for city & highway, not MPGe. Something like:
I agree and many others missed this. They should have some variations including 75 mph and mixed weather (windy, cold/hot, rain, etc.). It won't make them look great, but it would be realistic.
They do give the information to you, you just have to calculate it. The range figure is just based off the size of the battery and the combined fuel economy.
315/121 = ~2.6, so we know are Y has approximately 2.6 gallons of electricity at 33.7kWh each.
Which would give us 129*2.6=335 miles of city range, and 112*2.6=291 miles of highway range.