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humanCPengineer

Talking about the Children's Deaths in Gaza

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Articles written in English (NY Times) and Hebrew (Haaretz) talk about the deaths of children in Gaza.

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The deaths of children are horrible. Of course. Children represent innocence and each of their deaths is a tragedy.

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However, it's also true that the director of UNRWA in Gaza has called Israeli airstrikes incredibly precise and commended us.

It's also true that 1 in 7 Hamas rockets have landed inside Gaza itself.

Gazans also have no freedom of speech of press under Hamas and all, and anyone killed for any reason is blamed on Israel.

Israel warns people before attacks, and most of us have already seen the footage of Hamas or a Palestinian refusing to evacuate children from a building.

The only people who weren't warned were killed by accident. Israel destroying terror tunnels resulting in a collapse, because Hamas built their tunnels under neighborhoods and buildings.

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Anything to add?

Posted May 28, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

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Lack of building code in Gaza. There is no governance which enforces proper construction resulting in shoddy buildings which collapse easily and bury/kill those inside. If you sneeze in the wrong direction you are liable to demolish a home. Perhaps iF hamas put allowed some building materials to be used for building properly rather than funneling every bit of material into tunnels and rockets there would be less civilian deaths.

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raaly123:IL:الكيان الصهيوني :IL:•

I want to quote the tweet of a really great guy I follow, Johnathan Elkhoury, whos a Christian Lebanese-Israeli Arab himself.

Following the Haaretz article which featured pictures and names of kids who died in Gaza as a result of the recent war, he wrote "the day we will see Israeli children who were killed by Hamas rockets on the front page of a left newspaper in Gaza, we will know peace is possible. Until then, they can keep making themselves feel good, knowing that it leads to nowhere".

I dont have much to add.

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Janbiya•

Great tweet!

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YeeMalBro•

Pretty much. Also some of the people who were killed without a warning were high ranked officials from the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.

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shongizmo•

There this person detailed comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/nnpjdz/I_have_a_question_can_Turkey_and_Israel_can_be_friend/gzw0ntn/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

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Pavlikru•

If you are so smart, tell us what to do.

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BurjKhalifa2008MODEXPO 2020 DUBAI :AE:•

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spookyorange•

Hamas has decided that these are accepted casualties. You pretty much say that Israel isn't allowed to respond to 4300 missiles because we have Iron dome so we should just take on these rockets. even though the Iron done is not 100% accurate and people still die. Also its fine that over a million people have to run to the shelter 40-50 times a day in 20 seconds for 10 min each time and constantly hear explosions near them.

I honestly don't understand what kind of reaction people think is acceptable when a terror organization is shooting unguided rockets towards civilian cities. If you have a way to deal with it without collateral damage let us know.

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spookyorange•

I dont think your brain is functioning in a normal way, you cant even comprehend what it would look like for israel if we let Hamas shut down the lifes of millions with no response. You think they would just get tired of shooting? Stop expanding their metro terror tunnels? Not get much better weapons than what they have now?

Seems like you are ok with millions of Israelis living under missiles and dont understand the consequences of not responding to a terror organization. The only reason more Israelis dont die is because we shut them down every time. Yet every time they manage to get more rockets than before. Cant even imagine what it would look like if we just "let them be".

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serpent_cuirass•

Difference is we are not trying to kill innocents.

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Snoo10257•

i disagree with that i think israel should hit back twice as hard. of course they cant do this because the whole world is already at theyre throats, even my own coward ass country told them to stand down amd not defend themselves.

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EntamebaHistolytica•

So your great solution is: Let your enemies fire missiles at you, kill your people, and disrupt your society. If you do anything else, you are stupid and not fucking human.

Do you apply this logic to any other war or conflict on Earth?

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Mushroom-Purple•

I really wanna just enjoy my Shabbat but I think this is important:

Imagine the following situation - a crazy person wearing baby-armor has assualted your child's kindergarten with a shard of metal, screaming about how you and your kids have ruined his life.

If I had no experience fighting I would say - "oh, it's just a shard of metal, might as well let it swing it around. The very small chance my kid or one of his friends die isn't worth the possibility of hurting one of the babies he's wearing".

But we (Israelis) have been in this situation longer than you and experience taught us the following:

  1. Even though the chance of hitting someone is small the madman is gonna swing until he kills someone and there's no guarantee he'll stop once he does. You are better off stopping him.
  2. Even if the mad person stopped his rampage after the amount of blood satisfied him, he's gonna come back and do it again and again and again. This becomes especially pressing if you live in a neighbourhood where the "cops" don't care.
  3. If you refuse to stop the madman the only thing you are teaching him is - wearing baby-armor is highly effective.

Terrorist organizations use plenty such tactics because they know people like you and I will think twice before hurting the innocents. BUT IF YOU DON'T FIGHT AT ALL - this will keep happening and you are risking far more damage to you (and to the organization's hostages) in the long run.

I see this answer as falling under "Pikkuach Nefesh" and Justifying my breaking of Shabbat because: depending on where you live there is a small chance that you (or your country) too will one day face an equivalent situation.

You're welcome.

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Calinope•

You’re still killing babies, point blank. You’re still killing babies and justifying it.

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Mushroom-Purple•

No.

Kindly read again.

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Mushroom-Purple•

I think you're missing the point:

THIS ISN'T A NATION, IT'S A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. There is no "cap" for the amount of blood they are WILLING to spill, Israel (and every other nation in that position) NEEDS to put an end to their ABILITY to fight.

If we don't neutralize their ability to bomb us EVEN WITH THE RISK OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES - months from now the deaths will reach the thousands and they (and others) will still ask for more!

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Aside from that: If you feel that we are wrong to place the safety of your own children over the hostages of a terror organization - I request you tell that to your future spouse (he/she deserves to know).

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edit: btw, were not "choosing our kids over theirs". We're just "choosing our kids".

We'll be completely fine if they didn't use their kids as human-shields. Their deaths are not OUR desireable result.

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tonystigma•

Got that backwards, the terrorist organization has invaded Palestine and is committing genocide. One day they will be free, however!

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farfiman•

If hamas is not actively killing hundreds of children in Israel,

They are sure trying- would you rather have them succeed ?

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farfiman•

Seems the mods think you are the inappropriate one.

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BurjKhalifa2008MODEXPO 2020 DUBAI :AE:•

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babardook•

Lol. This post basically says: The death of children is horrible HoWeVEr it’s actually hamas’ fault! even though it’s Israel who is bombing Gaza and not with just one out of every seven rockets!

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farfiman•

The death of children is horrible HoWeVEr it’s actually hamas’ fault!

Can't argue with the facts. It is horrible and Hamas fault.

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babardook•

How do Israel’s balls taste?

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Snoo10257•

how do hamas?

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sloth_graccus•

Yeah, when the IDF bomb a residential building with 1hr notice and kills 8 children celebrating Eid, at least it's a very accurate bombing

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varlimont•

1h notice is enough to evacuate those children from blast area by crawling.

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humanCPengineerOPIsrael•

1 hour notice is a lot of notice. And don't forget they have additional notice because the Hamas rocket is fired first. After that you know it won't be that long.

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ChakraGamer•

Yea they dumb af

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