What do you think of the Avatar tv show, and how the movies changed the pronunciations of names?
I wrote this after reading this thread.
The movie changed the pronunciations of names to sound like how Asians would pronounce them(source).
Idk how accurate the movie's pronunciations were (I kinda doubt that they were accurate), but it always bugged how negatively people reacted to the change.
People are (rightfully imo) mad at the movie for whitewashing the cast, but they also want the movie to use the show's pronunciation. Some people also say that the show's pronunication "should be considered the original", or that it's fine for the show to have different pronunciations since it's a fantasy show.
What do all of you think?
Posted Jun 20, 2021, 8:11 PM UTC · edited
The thing to remember about the show is that it was inspired by many real-world cultures, and not all of them are even Asian. None of the in-universe cultures were strict with adhering real-world counterparts, either.
With that said, they do write in Chinese in the show, and the main cast does have canonical Chinese names. Interestingly, here are their names in Japanese. When M. Night Shyamalan did the film, I don't know how many of these names and transliterations were canon, but Uncle Iroh might not have had the overcorrected name had they been.
I've heard that Sokka's name is based on the phrase, そうか (sou ka). His Mandarin name, 索卡 (Suǒ kǎ) is closer to this pronunciation than the Japanese localization, サカ (saka), which closer reflects the English pronunciation.
Unfortunately, since the show is more influenced by Chinese culture and there are fewer media-based cultural exports, fewer people will give the time to entertain the notion of their now canon names. Because there's a blend of cultures, too, even someone who knows one or two of these languages might not know that someone else's name comes from a separate language entirely.
There's not enough discourse for people to realize the mispronunciations, and fans will lend credence to an actor's performance over a creator's intent for something they themselves couldn't pronounce.
Anyway, I'd love if they went with as close to their intended pronunciations should be rather than what was originally presented to us. It would show a deeper respect to the cultures that are being used as inspiration. They don't have to be 100% accurate, but they should be closer to what their actual canonical names are. Ignoring the various real-world cultures because it's a fantasy show would be less cultural appreciation and more cultural appropriation (and I don't mean that in the technical term, since it's still cultural appropriation, regardless). That said, if you need to be a linguist to enjoy the show, then that would push fans away.
Sticking to the original pronunciation would be a way to appease the vocal diehard fanbase, who are already upset that it's getting a live-action production. People are so connected to what they hear first vs what the intended pronunciations are--The few times you want to avoid intended pronunciations would be when their names would be too similar to another word that makes it inappropriate. Apparently, Katara's name had to be changed in Greek because her name's the same word for curse (κατάρα). We're not having these issues with these names in English, of course, so give the names their intended pronunciation.
It's not a "fantasy" series in the same way that Drizzt Do'Urden is a Drow or that there are Dothraki with their own conlang. It's "fantasy" where Frodo and Geralt have real-world cultural counterparts and cognates that follow rules. Anyone who dismisses this because "all languages are made up" are missing the point of the cultural context within these made up systems. It means something to the people whose cultures are being referenced and being used for inspiration. This would also be a hot topic with so many ways to approach it. Good luck to the original creators adapting their work into a live-action medium.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! You make a lot of excellent points, and I agreed with almost everything you said.
I disagree on this sentiment that it was only the extreme/diehard end upset. The vocal ones were diehard fanbase but its an overall consensus among fans that the names were not well received.
I didn't say it was "only" group upset. You're right in that it wasn't just the diehard groups though. The sentiment I was alluding to were those in both camps though. There are plenty of fans who don't want a live-action adaptation, whether or not they're hyperfanatic about the original series. We're not disagreeing on anything. I was just haphazard in writing a lengthy reply.
If anything, I know my sentiment is definitely a fringe opinion, and it's posted in a group that is associated tangentially to the series. The Asian American voice is drowned out in general. Those calling for a more appropriate pronunciation are those more cognizant of the origins of these cultures.
Even then, I know it'll take me some time to adjust since I don't really say their names out loud, and my own thoughts are still attached to the original pronunciation. But. That doesn't mean I can't change that. We need to normalize closer pronunciations so as to lessen the dismissal of real life examples.
But yes. Thanks for calling that out