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Interweb_OD

#1 Player on the TG ladder has been banned. When will the devs take the same approach for the pro players abusing the system the same way?

Ever since the new elo update came out, pro players have been using smurf accounts to go up against lower rated teams and gain elo. The #1 rated player on the ladder has been banned for this. Today, I came across vivi, but noticed many others (e.g. Lyx) doing the same:

https://aoe2.net/#profile-226575

https://aoe2.net/#profile-460064

https://aoe2.net/#profile-1688652

You'll notice two things going through these players' profiles:

• Having a teammate that is significantly lower elo in all TG games. These are usually fresh accounts, made days before, and sometimes have a low 1v1 rating to disguise the fact they are smurfs.

• Massive TG elo gain since new elo system update, with insane streaks that were just not the norm for them before the update.

Why is this not being addressed by the devs/community, and why are these people not being called out? Especially disappointed in vivi & lyx, who are well known and respected in the community, participating in such disgusting tactics.

Posted Jun 22, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

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trololosos•

What I just adore about reddit is how easy it is to blame/accuse someone without providing a lot of proofs.

I did not do much research, and don't have time for that. I did the most basic fact-checking.

The first you mentioned is Lyx. He does indeed play with lower rated players. Recently they lost to a team where all players were 2300-2450 tg ELO. I checked 1v1 ELOs for opponents team, they are between 1100 and 1550. That would be a very surprising loss for smurfs.

Ok, that may have been a bad accident, someone dc-ed or something. The point was that his teammates are smurfs and new accounts. I looked at the first of them, guy called Darker`. 92 games, 943 ELO, when he/she plays he usually plays like 2 games in an hour, many games in a row. If he/she goes that far to lose games to a weaker opponent by spending half an hour on each of them, and does it 50 times I am amazed by the dedication to boosting someone else team ELO.

There may be of course way more suspect matches/teams, but you did not provide any examples of such or other proofs, just accusations for well-respected players.

If not providing any proofs, I can also post a ridiculous theory. Like, for example, streamers can team up with their viewers or get paid for playing team games/mentoring during a team game with lower ELO players. Even more absurd, they can have real life friends that don't play the game at high level, but they enjoy playing together.

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phiupan•

Exactly. If the system lets you go for the ranked queue with whoever you want, you should be allowed to go to the ranked queue with whoever you want

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Interweb_ODOP•

Ok, so why did the top player get banned for smurfing?

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phiupan•

Maybe his teamate was doing that? The low level player with Lyx on the other hand does not look like a smurf, like others said already, so you cannot complain about him.

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TempiresLiving outpost•

how you know top player is banned ?

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Interweb_ODOP•

He posted it in a discord

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ksplett•

Having watched Lyx and Vivi's stream, I can say they just have ranked games with teammates who are viewers who donate. They all have voice on so they might just be better coordinated?

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Interweb_ODOP•

Often times their games have fresh accounts made just days before. I can confidently say that the player rated 1600 in the match I had vs Vivi played much more like a 2600 player.

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jcr202207•

And?

Yeah, maybe somebody did play on a smurf with Vivi. In what way is this evidence of wrongdoing on Vivi’s part?

It’s fairly well establish that Lyx likes to play casually with friends.

Not saying you’re wrong, but this is pretty thin.

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Interweb_ODOP•

So ban him like the others?

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jcr202207•

Who is “him”?

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viiksitimali:Burmese: Burmese•

About half a year ago there was a 2v2 tournament for Finnish players in which the best player was paired with the worst and so on. Rubestock was the best player to take part, so he had the weakest team mate. I still thought that the guy looked decent. But turns out the guy is 1200 1v1. In conclusion, having a team member that is top 100 telling you what to do really boosts your performance.

Now, this is an anecdote, but please consider.

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Meldras•

Curious why they banned him/what reason (if any) they gave. Can't say that I agree with what he did morally, but I also can't see what rules he actually broke considering he wasn't even the one smurfing.

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Koala_eiO•

The simple solution for that is to define the team's Elo by the weighted average Elo of all the players. If your smurf account has 10 games played and your main account has 1000, your team Elo is now much closer to the main account's team Elo.

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notnorther•

Source on Fronk's account being banned?

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Snizl•

Ah, the classic approach of "We've fucked up and implemented something into the game, that can be used in a way we do not like, so we ban players for our mistakes!"

Fix your shit, devs!

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DkastroAge•

Yeah, I don't get why they banned him.

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TempiresLiving outpost•

well abusing system/bug/glitches is usually against rules. Even if system allows you to do something you are not allowed unfairly manipulating your multiplayer rank, which is happening here.

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Snizl•

I see this analogous to a finding a loophole in a law, making an undesired activity perfectly legal, then changing the law and convict that person based on the new law.
Especially with this "Glitch". It isnt even a glitch, everyone applying basic logic knew this would be the result of changing this system in that way.

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DkastroAge•

7, ok. But where do you draw the line? Should devs ban pros that play with viewers or should they focus in fixing their system? (once again)

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TempiresLiving outpost•

well devs have full control whenever they enforces rules or not. Devs are already focusing in changes. That's why they made change to elo acquisition, blog says it's just first change to system. They also said will review changes and may make adjustments if needed

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DkastroAge•

Let's just hope they do so fast then, Im starting to feel TG's is dying.

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