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Ruach

Hedera comparison to Aleph Zero

Discussion

I randomly stumbled on this project when researching Hedera's TPS for a FUD conversation I was trying to shut down.

Very interesting project. They specifically call out Hedera on their FAQ page:

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How Aleph Zero is different from Hedera Hashgraph?

A subtle but crucial structural difference is that in Hashgraph, each communication between two nodes creates an ‘event,’ which is a container for potential queued transactions. In Aleph, we decoupled communication between nodes (i.e., gossiping) and the creation of units (how we call our ‘containers’) since we believe that the 1:1 ratio between these actions is suboptimal by far. Besides that, Aleph provides a constant bound on the average number of rounds necessary to validate each transaction and put it into total ordering even during times of total asynchrony of the network. In Hashgraph’s white paper, the average number of rounds is not bounded and their liveness proof is based on a coin round, which provides for a probability of achieving liveness as less than one in a billion for validating a transaction during each round in an asynchronous scenario (assuming a committee size of 39).

There are also differences in the governance model. Aleph is fully permissionless, whereas in Hedera Hashgraph part of the committee (39 members) is chosen by the Hedera Hashgraph team. In Aleph, it is the coin holders who elect all of the validators of the network. Also, the Aleph algorithm is not patented. Most importantly, Aleph does not require license fees for users to build an application on the platform.

What are the "license fees" they mention here?

Posted Jun 29, 2021, 10:49 AM UTC

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aBFTolerant•

They are erroneously talking about the fact that swirlds is able to license the tech out for private implementations.

Hedera will never charge fees (other than the transactional ones) for anyone to build on the only public implementation of Hashgraph that will ever be authorized by swirlds.

Also, by their own admission, whoever controls the bulk of the Aleph tokens will control the voting rights for who is elected as a validator. This poses several problems of which who's to say an elected validator will even want to be one and if they are you won't know if there's been some form of collusion among Aleph whales to put a given validator in place.

The council Hedera is putting together is meant to balance Democratic process with speed of development and iteration. Aleph tries to paint the council as a weakness where in actuality it is a MASSIVE strength of which literally no one else in the entire space has.

This is why you see so many projects attack it.

Haters gon Hate.

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[deleted]•

I don't really care to read about every wanna be shitcoin that tries and fails to copy Hedera.

All the stuff it tries to paint as problems with Hedera aren't problems at all.

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crypto_zoologistler🍋 leemonade•

Hedera does not make anyone pay license fees to build on their network, the fact these guys make that claim makes me doubt their honesty.

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gyonk•

There is plenty of competition in this space and nobody can no who the winner(s) will be. It is not uncommon for front-runner "sure things" to disappear and underdogs emerge. The race is far from over.

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Blasphemy!! :-)

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Bigodad0423•

Who is Hedera top five competitors I’d like to do some more research

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GravyKing_•

ALGO

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Bigodad0423•

Ty

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Good-Cause-9037•

IOTA

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Bigodad0423•

Thought iota shut down in feb due to Theft of funds

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Good-Cause-9037•

“due to theft of funds” Can you elaborate?

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Bigodad0423•

I searched iota on coin base and supposedly shut down in feb... I scrolled down to news idk tool a pic but can’t figure out how to attach it Says feb 13 and feb 25 th

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Hashgraph69•

Ethereum, Algo, Avax, XRP, XLM and Solana

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Just_Enough_CoffeeCheer :Leemon: Coach•

I believe we are seeing one of the first legitimate spin offs of Hashgraph - keep in mind, the only reason its different from Hashgraph is because they can't use Hashgraph. They frame the differences as advantages but in reality they were necessary in order to claim a new network as their own. They don't even have a circulating coin at the moment and their team is full of PhD's - which in my professional experience (although in a completely different field) becomes a dick measuring contest of who knows more. But who knows, maybe it catches on.

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Myridium•

Wow jealous much? It's not too late to seek higher education.

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Just_Enough_CoffeeCheer :Leemon: Coach•

Quite the opposite - I have multiple degrees and licenses but know for a fact that professional experience is ten fold more valuable.

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Myridium•

Wow the commenters here are getting really defensive. Their responses that "this is a shitcoin" are so intelligent and incisive and definitely address the text of your post.

The project looks pretty good. I've had my eye on it for a while. I don't have enough technical knowledge to fully understand the the comparisons made. Neither do the other commenters as of now but at least I can admit it.

It sounds like Aleph Zero has found a way to achieve consensus during severe network disruption (asynchrony) that Hedera did not. Hedera is secure but not live during severe disruption I guess, whereas Aleph Zero is claiming liveness too.

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GrassPerfect3019•

I would do a search on this subreddit. Someone said that Hederas tps is lowered to 10K tps due to security and they will slowly increase it. Also, note that is the tps person node. Therefore, Hederas tps will be significantly higher than that of Aleph zero. Subreddit:https://amp.reddit.com/r/hashgraph/comments/lxzfjn/once_hedera_isnt_being_throttled_at_10000_tps_can/

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[deleted]•

Seeing people promote random shit coins on the sub by comparing them to Hedera is sad.

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wexitnow123•

Sure here is my comparison

Aleph zero: absolute shitcoin

Hedera: not a shitcoin

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lastpeony•

just another dag based scam

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