Opinion: I find it ironic how Jacinda (supposedly at the forefront of being a female leader/inspiration) uses Karen to mock another female. It only perpetuates underlying sexist tones- especially in a day and age where woman should feel empowered to speak up, and not be mocked for it.
Just saying. Wonder if anyone else agrees, probably not.
Edit: of course this also goes to Judith Collins
Posted Jun 30, 2021, 10:41 PM UTC · edited
Are you talking about the exchange in parliament?
IIRC The opposition opened the door using the term.
Jacinda replied/responded but didnt call her that herself. Jacinda said this law wont stop someone calling you that.
Why did everyone laugh then? My interpretation, along with others , was cause she turned it around to imply Collins was a Karen.
Probably because it referenced the effort Collins had been going to in trying to defeat this legislation.
Including Collins tweeting about the use of the word 'Karen' to discredit the legislation.
Collins has proven herself to be a danger to vulnerable people and minorities. Drawing attention to this, using humour, is a public good.
You miss the nuance from Arderns dig at Collins, Ardern didn’t call Collins a Karen, nor anyone, she merely (cleverly I might add) said that contrary to Collins tweet the proposed laws couldn’t be used to protect anyone (Collins as per arderns quip) from being called a Karen.
If Collins insists on giving others fodder to mock her then she’s got to expect to be mocked. It’s a stupid term that backfired in Collins attempt to exploit it
Ok but let's not beat around the bush, everything about it was suggesting Collins was being a Karen, hence all the laughs.
Even if she wasn't, then someone in her posistion should we wary how her words can be interpreted.
So basically she is defending someone's right to insult another person while not necessarily agreeing with them.. Isn't this something you people are OBSESSED with
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Lets be honest, no we didn't
Should I just have said trolls?
Ok well if you didn't think she was referring to Collins as a Karen, that's a difference of opinion and that's fine.
Not beating around the bush… the inference was there but that is somewhat at odds with your opinion on the matter
The person who initially need check their choice of words is Collins, she opened herself up to being mocked. Given her position she shouldn’t be using a shit term to blatantly misconstrue the proposed changes to legislation. Perhaps that’s the more important issue on which you should focus
Now if Ardern starts calling others Karen I’d accept that is pretty shitty and shit, but I’m not aware this is the case
Right wingers virtue signalling about sexism is ironic.
Why do you think I'm right wing? Cause I'm definitely not 😂
Nice density though
It was raised because of Collins doing the classic "I am just asking questions" for something she clearly should have known (and in a way to rile up the "free speech" voterbase) with that tweet of hers.
It's unfortunate that Parliament isn't held to the same standards as any workplace. The shit they get away with would land you unemployed due to workplace harassment and bullying.
I'm always in two minds about this, on one hand the exchanges are pretty funny, but then I think about how much money they're on and how important their roles are and think that maybe they should take things a little more seriously
Agreed. It's fairly well known she doesn't especially like "Cindy" as a nickname, but you lose any sympathy when you give demeaning nicknames to other people.
and just like that, the 'freedom of speech' crowd turned into 'jacinda is a meanie' crowd
Oh come really? It was a own goal on Judith's part.
Probably got a point but the person she was attacking doesn't make it easy for herself
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Yea watching it was pretty gross. Bringing up twitter posts in parliament was pretty juvenile. Beyond disappointing
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Do you actually give a shit though?
Bit of a Chad post
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Ok Karen.
What a savage!!! 😝
Women who call the police on a black man bird watching in the park should not feel empowered to speak up
Women who want to complain to the manager about the two lesbians who kissed by the pool should also not feel empowered to speak up.
Women who want to call out a co-worker for giving unwanted ass slaps and hugs should feel empowered to speak out
Women who want to complain about a council worker telling her she can't breastfeed in the park should feel empowered to speak out.
If you don't understand the difference, feel free to ask someone smarter than you. Probably won't be hard to find.
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I do understand. Thanks though
You clearly don't
Educate yourself
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OK Karen
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"Karen" has nothing to do with sexism. It's about an attitude of entitlement and false superiority.
Yet refers to an old, white woman
That's simply because it was an attitude first observed in middle aged white women. Like central park Karen, or the women telling black men that they need to leave when they see them going into their own homes, claiming that they know the owner when they don't. Telling them with a smile that they're going to call the police. A "Karen" usually acts as though she's standing up for the rules or what is right while being oblivious to the fact that she's completely wrong. It's about the attitude too, characterised by either passive aggression, condescension, or both.
There's a male version of the word too, though it differs. It's not an attitude that is gender specific, however men tend to act more aggressively and angrily, so often don't fall into the same category.
In the end, it's just a meme which gained mainstream popularity. Sexism would be calling someone a Karen just because they're an outspoken woman.
I don't think you understand on the wider implications. I.e. calling a male out as a Karen when Karen is a female. But appreciate your opinion
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Definitely- don't think she really has one though? But would genuinely be curious to Jacinda's response to this would be.
While I'm at it, would love to give her a rundown on how she's fucked the housing market. Give her some tips on simple policy changes that she could make.
So how come you're criticising Ardern and not Collins?
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Yeah fair point, I'll add her Collins to my description too. Just thought Cindy was better than that (everyone knows Collins is tragic).
hmmmmmmmmmm
Jacinda has 5,000,000 managers #democracy
Well. Either you're playin the double run or this is pretty much r/wooosh
You do realize that she's not sitting in her room making all these decisions alone? If the housing market is messed up, it is because of a ton of decisions made by a bunch of people -- a lot of whom are experts in the very same field with years and years of experience. And the issues with the housing market began well before she took office. That is because the policy making in that direction has not been good for a while now.
So if you really think you got "simple policy changes" that you could tip them on, do write to them. Who knows? Maybe in all their expertise and practical positions, they did not / could not think of your simple policy change ideas. Worth the shot eh? If it's really that simple.
Was being facetious off the back of a great contribution to my "serious" post