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The issues with AI and its use on that Roswell Final Verdict Show

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The way the show uses this system is just eyeballing inducing. The system appears to take in different modalities and put it together and claims a high accuracy.

First the issues with assessing quality of such a system which is extremely non-trivial and doesn't even have a solution for all the possible issues currently

A) If you are going to asses the quality you would need to get a reasonable size pool of people of all ages, ethnicities, genders, and spoken dialects. This would be super inconvenient to do so it was likely not done. You would then need to evaluate the system against each group. A simple measure that say might be useful to regular people would be for a 50/50 lie/honest sample of people of similar demographics what the systems measure lie/honest sample rate. If the model was transparent it would be showing that to the viewers along with the prediction and ideally some measure of error. Without this you wouldn't know if the system because the data it saw thinks all native Americans over 40 always lie.

B) Not only do you have to get samples for all demographics and evaluate against that you need to get samples across all the source variants . By sources it is meant you need to get samples from video recordings from those old film cameras from the 1950's all the way to an expensive RED camera to a cell phone. You need to do the equivalent for the audio channel from a cheap microphone to a Shure SM57 to an iPhones mic.

C) Not only that but you need to randomly completely drop the video feed if at prediction time you are going to do that and then measure again. Any system trained on audio+video is going to get a drop in performance if you drop the video channel.

If the above doesn't make you take their system with a grain of salt. You have the fact that you will then use the system on people on a hot button issue like UFOs which may or not be represented by the data so it won't be like the evaluation above anyways.

To make matters worse for the Roswell documentary they are going to completely sample only lower quality signal since its from the 1950s.

Posted Jul 11, 2021, 12:28 AM UTC

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Sofian375•

They didn't develop an AI for their show, they more likely teamed up with people already doing research in that field.

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Patrickstarho•

Don’t know why you got downvoted but I think that’s what happened. They partnered with a university I think.

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Middle-Potential5765•

It's a garbage production, mate.

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[deleted]•

Yup. It is was just another way to retell the Roswell myth but with new high technology attached that somehow magically can determine the truth.

Good way for discovery to keep milking the money cow out of Roswell though.

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serypanda•

Ok, hot take here, but the 'Super Lie Detecting AI' is nonsense. It's only serving as a tool of delivery to 'vindicate' the witnesses and those involved.
It actually shocked me a bit to see that one of the experts openly mentioned the possibility of a 'cabal' working behind the scenes to suppress the information from getting out, ergo the extensive coverup campaign.
I sense Discovery Inc was selected to put this series out, its pretty damn mainstream and never saw anything else like it before in MSM.
The purpose is not to break the real story obviously, but its going to implant in the viewers with the narrative now, so that when the UAPTF starts to roll out more things they knew about, helps with minimizing the collateral fallout that will occur as they are doing their best to slow drip disclosure at a heavily controlled rate.
I remember how much Alien and UFO shows in the 90's would be: "Here we interview an alleged abductee with wild claims of alien contact, they sound believable, but we still cant verify. Therefore we don't know either." Fin

Where as Discovery+: "Person says its true, AI says its, true, its true folks!"

I really enjoyed the series so far, nice method of story telling. The last episode with Major Marcel talking about the coverup during that press release made me bust out laughing as soon as you see the picture of him holding it up. The look in his eyes, funniest and saddest thing ever.

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TreviTyger•

V2 rockets can account for New Mexico crashes at the time. Over 60 of them crashed in the New Mexico desert.

This new show basically just tells lies itself! For instance, later on in Marilyn Strickland's interview she actually confirms that rocket tests are the reason for the event's.

"I'm gonna call White Sands and tell them they lost one of their rockets" Marilyn Strickland (1:01:44)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s\_Xq9MjBSOk&t=3s)

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lamboeric•

The authority and expert on the Roswell case, Stanton Friedman would vehemently disagree with that hypothesis.

As for credible witnesses, the gold standard in first hand witnesses and person who handled the wreckage himself is Jesse Marcel Sr.

Jesse was an intelligence officer and 'aircraft identification specialist' stationed at Roswell. He was the authority on aircraft identification. To downplay the wreckage as tape and Bolsa wood is insulting to Jesse and his expert knowledge of aircraft and aircraft materials.

Lets listen to Jesse Marcel Sr. in his own words describe the wreckage that sceptics claim is Bolsa wood and toy tape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob7xck04vcI

"One thing I was certain of... Being familiar with all air activates, That is was not a Weather Balloon, nor an aircraft, nor a Missile. It was something else. Witch we didn't know what it was." - Jesse Marcel Sr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDwL4uL23P8

"It is not anything from this Earth. That I'm quit sure of. Being an intelligence officer, I was familiar with just about all materials used in aircraft and air travel. This was nothing like that. It could not have been." - Jesse Marcel Sr.

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It is interesting to me that debunkers will never mention the evidence against the balloon theory. That is because debunkers are trying to "Sell" their 'best guess" and purposely leaving out anything that does not add to that sell. That is a type of deception. It's disingenuous. It's why I don't trust debunkers. They are not objective.

I think many people are sick of sceptics pushing that bogus balloon theory.

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TreviTyger•

When did Jesse Marcel Sr. ever, EVER mention bodies?

He doesn't! And that fact alone destroys Stanton Friedman's false theory.

There were no aliens. You been duped.

#delusional

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lamboeric•

Roswell was an alien crashed saucer flown on two separate planes to Battelle Memorial Institute to study the alien materials.

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TreviTyger•

I'm not Finnish. You got that wrong too dumb ass.

You are clearly delusional. You have been driven mad by reading fiction just like Don Quixote.

Do yourself a favour and realise you are just gullible target audience for book publisher to get rich on.

Humility s the highest virtue...and the hardest to acquire.

There never were any aliens at Roswell. Marcel would have said he found bodies....but he didn't. End of.

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