Apparently there will be a new building called "Arts Academy", what do you think?
Posted Jul 18, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC
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I feel it might be like the civic/culture equivalent of research (which is probably produced by universities), so it unlocks new ideas and such. Similar to unity in stellaris.
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It's a government building sorted next to a university. I'd be willing to bet it produces research for "cultural" innovations in the same way a University has been mentioned to produce research for scientific innovations. Likely with a side order of prestige.
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Prestige isn't its own thing any more, it's just a sum of other measures. I'd bet that it also produces leftist sentiments
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"Some figure that contributes to Prestige", then, Jesus Christ.
And ah yes, the famously leftist sentiment of checks notes drawing. I'm not saying educational institutions don't affect political opinions, but in a time period with Wagner, Tolstoy, and that guy who wrote Pinocchio, I think the political leaning of art culture depends on the country and context.
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Eh, kinda. Generally how it worked historically with arts, is the new younger generation generally used their time at the institution living bohemianly or libertinely. And then they sort of aged into being stogy old masters.
They certainly, in localized areas contributed to leftism.
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And in localized areas they contributed to "rightism" as well. Like I said, educational institutions and art more generally propagate political ideas, but it's not limited to one specific political idea.
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The intelligentsia at the time were not socialist-aligned at the time. Often they were quite conservative, or 'liberal' with elitist sentiments.
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Socialism in the Victorian age wasn't spearheaded by intellectual elites, but by union leaders and workers. Seeing as most university students were of a priviledged class, they had the most to lose from socialism.
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I mean, the theory side has almost always been college educated people, engles was the kid of a factory owner and Marx was also pretty educated.
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Yeah, theory was written by economists and philosophers.
But the people striking in the factory certainly weren't college students.
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lmao what a dumb ahistorical larper meme.
there's a reason so much of the politburo of the ussr was university educated in a country with an incredibly tiny university educated population, or why che and fidel were in the medical and legal professions respectively.
or why the paris commune's council had 31 office workers + journalists to 33 industrial workers.
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In any revolution, generally speaking, there's an intellectual, philosophical leadership, and then a bunch of guys who do the bulk of the revolting. It was the same in France in 1789, the same in Russia in 1917, and the same for most of the revolutions in between. Obviously, socialism was a movement of, by, and for the working class, but that doesn't mean that economists and philosophers didn't lead it, or have a habit of setting themselves up as the core of vanguard parties when the revolution came.
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R5: In the screenshots revealed in the July Monthly Update, there's a screenshot including a new building called the "Arts Academy", which would employ Academics and Clerks.
What do you guys think? Any ideas or guesses about what it does or produces?
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I assume it's prestige-related.
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Back to the prestige mines, peasant!
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Prestige is not like in Vic2... It ONLY depends on GDP and military. There won't be any events or anything that gives you 10 points
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There is prestige, don't know where you got that from. "Prestige is still a thing and affects your Great Power ranking.". Also, this.
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It ONLY depends on GDP and military
Source?
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Mmmmm, devs?? XDD
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We have to be afraid of a frustrated Hitler ?
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I love how the psyche of 1960s western historians looked at Hitler's life and went:
"This man and millions of people like him were traumatized in the trenches of the bloodiest, most horrifying war in history. We have documented evidence that millions emerged from the war as violent, broken men and visited this violence in great and small ways on the people in their lives until they passed away. That one of these broken men would emerge as the leader of a heavily industrialised, heavily militarised nation was a statistical eventuality and the lessons of this demand we seek peace...I bet it was that fuckin art school rejection that did it."
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heavily industrialised
On a tangent, but just to point out, modern perceptions of 1930s Germany are coloured by how we see modern Germany. 1930s UK had 50% more gdp per capita than Germany, and a significant amount of Germans were living in relative poverty (farmers still using horses. Agricultural gdp per capita was only half that of the rest of Germany.)
Part of Hitler's rise was due to their military past, but also an overlooked part was poverty (pensioners upset about money, rural workers upset at the thought of losing subsidies).
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The UK had 50% more gdp per capita because they owned most of the global south. Since 1903 Germany was the most densely industrialized region on the planet and produced the most steel, coal, and conveyor belts of any nation on earth and would continue to do so until the US overtook them in the 1940s. Sure, some folks lived in rural farms in poverty in Germany during the 1920s-1930s, but that was the case everywhere and was not abberative. Germany's industrial capacity at the time however was.
It's also a Nazi propagated myth that the Nazis rose on the impoverished worker. Their political base was largely the German middle class and formerly aristocratic Prussians.
Ian Kershaw and Thomas Weber both talk about both these points extensively in their biographies of Hitler, Hitler and Hitler's First War respectively. Richard Evan's The Coming of the Third Reich more extensively details German industrialisation in the period.
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I apologise, but I'll just have to regurgitate Tooze (wages of destruction) here. I'm not an historian, or an economist, but he seemed to be stating that Germany's industrialisation was exaggerated.
since the early 1990s and a generation of technical work by economists and economic historians has shaken, if not demolished, the myth of Germany's peculiar economic superiority
... Brand names like Krupp, Siemens and IG Farben gave substance to the myth of German industrial invincibility. Viewed in wider terms, however, the German economy differed little from the European average; its national per capita income in the 1930s was middling; in present-day terms it was comparable to that of Iran or South Africa. The standard of consumption enjoyed by the majority of the German population was modest and lagged behind that of most of its Western European neighbours. Germany under Hitler was still only a partially modernized society, in which upwards of 15 million people depended for their living either on traditional handicrafts or on peasant agriculture
(he talks later about how 74% of farms were below ten hectares, and such small farms "faced a dispiriting grind of poverty and overwork.", that 32% of the population lived in rural villages, and that agricultural output exceeded heavy industry.)
On the election of Hitler coming from rural voters: I can't source it, so I'll concede that.
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Destroy all the Arts Academies, destroy all the Arts. If there are no arts, people won't think about becoming artists. If no one becomes frustrated because they failed as artists, they won't become Hitlers.
Wait, what do you mean that systemic racism and the brewing pot that ended up exploding in supremacism and genocide do not have anything to do with any particular charismatic individual?????
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Rejects Austrian nationalists
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Oh boy, dont place any in Austria
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You mean place more so it is easier to get in.
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Wow what an original joke, several other people totally didn't say the same comedy gold crap right. God you're so clever
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Thanks man, love you too. In case you diddnt get it, i was referencing Adolf Hitler.
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That was the guy who started that war wasn’t it? You know someone should stop him.
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I think it should accept Austrian artists
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Oh no all those rejected Artisans
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Hey guys, I can't help but make a clever historical comparison that no one else in this thread seems to have picked up on. Remember that Hitler fellow who was rejected from one of these academies? We would be wise to take measures to prevent that from happening in our games, or something rather unfortunate might happen! I jest of course, I doubt there will be a mechanic that would actually concern such a thing!
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Haha that's funny! It's surprising no one else said that! It's an art academy! And Hitler got rejected from one! Great joke, if only more people had seen that
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Holy shit this sub is way over analyzing screenshots. It's literally impossible to have any meaningful thoughts on screenshots till we get gameplay.
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I mean, I think that's what these threads are for. It's just fun to speculate, even if there isn't much to go off of. Just take what anyone says with a major grain of salt.
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Yeah I get that it's kind of what the sub is bound to be till we get better data. I would just prefer things like this post be a comment under a post of this screenshot rather than its own post.
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The people are clamoring for content, they have to wring it out of every little screenshot. Lol
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And yet, having no thoughts at all is also meaningless.
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Dude we’ve been anticipating this for years some premature e-speculations are inevitable
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You barge in here insulting everyone’s favorite hobby, we enjoy the incessant obsessing over screenshots. Let us obsess in peace, take your negativity elsewhere please.
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It produces Manet mana
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Monet mona
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I think it's a nice gameplay mechanic. A good way to spend your money if you want to get more "cultural tech" most likely, or prestige.
But it's done in a way that is not "more money more culture" it should depend on whether you can fill it with clerks and academics, but it can help with unemployment but it will cost you, and it's not an easy thing to turn off. Cause if you turn it off suddenly you've got a huge amount of unemployed intelectuals.
I think it's a great way to make it like an inertia into investing money into culture (takes time for your money to start giving back) but also hard to turn it off (without affecting employment) without needing a new mechanic (akin to production efficiency from hoi4 factories) by leveraging existing mechanics, interwining with existing mechanics, and making sense in immersion.
A like from me!
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Lots of concepts remind me of M&T.
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M&T ? Which game is it ?
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Meiou and Taxes, it's a EU4 mod. In this case there is art academies too.
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-5% conversion to fascism
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Leni Riefenstahl: >_>
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One Austrian fellow doesn't like this ;)
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I think it might be an art academy
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What do Arts Academies produce?
Future war criminals.
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Is this how we will be spamming prestige in this game?
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I wonder how many other academies will be there. Cool if buildings provide research bonuses
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Producing Hitlers
Taking angsty teens and turning them into artists to prevent them from getting into politics.
<3 <3 <3
or, they draw a hot guy saying Nyet to a drink and inadvertently create a leftist icon
Ah the OP Hitler pop, .3% chance of spawning
OP? More like instant reset considering how much he fucks the country over
I don't know. The autobahn expansion, the four year plans, and all such things did lots to revitalize the economy before he threw the majority of men and young boys into the meat grinder.
Mefo bills where fraudulent and subversive, the autobahn was not the nazi’s idea. The Germany economy geared for war beginning in the 1933 budget, it was deficit spending to build a war economy unlike anything ever seen.
I searched a bit about the Autobahn thing. Supposedly it would give at least 600.000 job positions and that, when actually the maximum amount of jobs it actually give was of 120.000, with an average of 38.000. If I am correct, the war industry give way more jobs than that.
And I don't remember the 4 year plan actually revitalize the economy. It wasn't just a big scam with the MEFO bills? Like, paying 50% with MEFO bills and promising to pay the other 50% in the future, which they obviously didn't did, or something like that?
"The Orphan Crusher 9000 was a really good paper weight until it started crushing orphans!"
You do not in fact have to hand it to Nazis.
But didn't the Gold and RM reserves of Germany in 1935 were of 100M in comparison to the 1200M in 1932?
NGL, it'd never happen due to poor taste, but be interesting to see young Hitler show up as a Soc. Dem.
Came here to say exactly the same.
I was expecting this and I'm not disappointed
Ah shucks stole my joke, have an upvote