How disciplined are your disciples?

I reread Neville books and lectures a lot and am currently on Your Faith is your Fortune and read chapter 18 this morning, going back to read it now and was inspired to share my thoughts. I see a lot of posts, comments, questions asking how to ignore the 3D while manifesting or why things aren't going how they expected or what do you when their mind just won't stop running to negative thoughts.

The answer is not to ignore, it is not to battle your mind and your thoughts - it is to become indifferent. To actually discipline your mind to see and hear that which aligns with your desire, to not be moved when things seemingly aren't going your way.

Your mind isn't different from anyone else, you aren't made by God to only think negative, you lack discipline. Nothing wrong with being honest with yourself and admitting it. I have found things aren going much smoother for me now that I did admit that to myself, I accepted a while ago that I needed to discipline my mind - I have found reviewing my day in reverse has been the best attention control learning method for me.

When you read Chapter 18 of Your Faith is your Fortune Neville lays out the 12 disciples and outlines the qualities of your mind.

The twelve disciples represent the twelve qualities of mind which can be controlled and disciplined by man.

If disciplined, they will at all times obey the command of the one who has disciplined them.

Until they are awakened and disciplined, they will permit every rumor and sensuous emotion to move them.

Be honest with yourself, can you face a day where your SP leaves you on read without feeling one way or the other? Without wanting to publish here asking why it is going so wrong? Trying to say more affirmations to combat that action?

Can you get a rejection letter from a job and remain true to your new state of having the job? Not worry about what you did wrong for that reaction?

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When these twelve are disciplined and brought under control, the one who accomplishes this control will say to them, “Hereafter I call you not slaves, but friends” [“Henceforth I call you not servants for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known unto you”, John 15:15].

He fully accepts his desires as gifts already received and goes his way in peace confident that they shall appear.

This is not a forced action or a battle of the wills, it is an acceptance of faith that whatever you have prayed for and believe you will receive you will. It is a calm knowing that you, the human, can do nothing to aid your desire, you accept it is yours and nothing can convince you otherwise.

If you were holding a blue flower in your hand and I told you it was a yellow banana would you believe me? No, your physical senses would override the ridiculousness of my statement. So now, do the opposite. Understand that all facts are malleable and your inner senses override the physical to the point you are indifferent to them.

From Chapter 10

Man is warned to be selective in that which he hears and accepts as true.

Everything that man accepts as true leaves an impression on his consciousness and must in time be defined as proof or disproof.

Perceptive hearing is the perfect medium through which man registers impressions.

A man must discipline himself to hear only that which he wants to hear, regardless of rumors or the evidence of his senses to the contrary.

As he conditions his perceptive hearing, he will react only to those impressions which he has decided upon.

This law never fails.

Fully conditioned, man becomes incapable of hearing other than that which contributes to his desire.

The law never fails. You will always get what you are. Your dominate belief will always win.

And stop fooling yourself if you are not getting the results you want, you can not say you are faithful and ask on Reddit why it isn't working. Not being rude, just honest, it does not work that way. Because if you were, you would be getting the results you seek. It never fails.

The faith of the undisciplined man cannot really be called faith. For if the armies, medicines or wisdom of man in which his faith is placed be taken from him, his faith and courage go with it. But from the disciplined one the whole world could be taken and yet he would remain faithful in the knowledge that the state of consciousness in which he abides must in due season embody itself.

Faith in oneself, which asks no man’s help but quietly and alone appropriates the consciousness of the quality desired and – in spite of reason or the evidence of his senses to the contrary continues faithful-patiently waiting in the knowledge that his unseen claim if sustained must be realized – such faith develops a courage and strength of character that are beyond the wildest dreams of the undisciplined man whose faith is in things seen.

There is so much more in this beautiful chapter, especially tying them all together and I do hope if you found this at all helpful you go read the rest.

Posted Jul 19, 2021, 8:19 PM UTC

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i love this. i remember imagining buying a specific phone model (i wanted an aurora color).. and when i went to buy it, all the stores said that there were no stocks anymore for that color. and all that was left was that this color i didnt even want at all. and i was like, no.. this phone isnt what i was holding in my imagination. i held a phone with an aurora color. there's got to be one since I've already held and been using it in my mind. i asked them again to please check.. and they all said there's really none of that color anymore since it sold fast. but for some reason, there's this one assistant who went all beyond his duty and called several other store branches and other shops (you know those other shops that sells all brands) just to find that color. he found a shop just near us, and even led me to them! only one stock is left with that color on that other shop and i got it and held it like in my imagination.

since ive already seen and held the phone with the color i wanted in my mind, i didnt accepted the reality that there's no stocks anymore even when they all said it. i made what i saw in my imagination as more real and an evidence that i already have what i wanted despite what the outside circumstances said.. so the outside reality finds a way to make it true.

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c2theOPI am•

Great story

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I KEEP ON MARCHING ON

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cootiewoo•

I have been immersed within the disciple of Thaddeus for a MINUTE, as in the past year and a half at least and I am beginning to feel really confident here. I am still exploring and being chiseled on my journey through this discipline. When you are thankful with the HIGHEST praise for it being done, and you without a doubt know it IS done despite anything the physical world shows, you are well on your way to mastery of this particular discipleship I am learning. Great post!!!

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c2theOPI am•

I wanted to touch on gratitude but was already so long winded - it really needs its own post, glad you added some of it to the comments.

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cootiewoo•

I agree, each of them does really, because it's just a lot that can be unpacked! Yet the concept of the discipline is very practical and easy to understand. It's the mastery of them where the work is...

I will and have 'assumed' I've gotten a concept down, that I've mastered it, then I'll take an honest look at some of my very own inner conversation and my reactions or judgements being harbored and they're all in response to the effects of the world. I'm usually like "whoa, I'd better step back and dive in a bit deeper" so one good thing is I do notice(the effect of hearing), now me knowing that is not enough, I must do(renew my mind and really become anewed in the 'aright' consciousness).

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Jamieelectricstar•

Great post and really important.

The 12 Disciples or 12 Qualities of the mind, when balanced, unveils the 13th which is the One, sitting in the center. But until then, the First quality/Discipline (disciple) is where to focus. And most are there, learning the “I AM” ..

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Redbull1133•

Which also corresponds to the 12 cranial nerves in the brain!

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Jamieelectricstar•

Yess for sure.. 12 Disciples, 12 Spheres of Consciousness..

12 Cranial nerves , 12 Zodiac Signs, 12 Tribes… symbolism..

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lesemeur•

This is the whole philosophy of Buddhism and Stoicism, happiness through discipline

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Discipline has been heavily on my mind thank you so much for sharing this with us.

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samatvam1575•

I have discovered the way that is to repeat convincingly in mind that I am aware that mind is agitated,I am pure consciousness,different from mind and that awareness that these agitating thoughts are appearing on the surface of my mind and I am not the mind but pure consciousness,another method is to constantly enquire who is feeling pained ,Who am I ,getting to the root of the question,these ,I practise them every day whenever I feel that mind is taking me for a ride incessantly dragging my being into the cauldron of negative thoughts

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iamjoker003•

Thank you for this amazing post. Just what I wanted to read.

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c2theOPI am•

🙏🏽

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Sandi_T•

I read, and listened to, the chapter. I don't see him really telling us how to discipline them. Can someone extrapolate, please?

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Malialala•

Neville describes very well the characteristics of the 12 disciples for example Simon:"The first quality to be called and disciplined is Simon or the attribute of hearing. [...]The instruction to Simon is that he should permit only dignified and honorable visitors or impressions to enter the house (consciousness) of his Lord. "

Read the chapter again.. he goes through them in details.

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c2theOPI am•

There are exercises given by Neville- this video covers them very well: https://youtu.be/AT27w0qnEvU

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Sandi_T•

Specific to this issue? I'll watch it anyway, and thank you. :) Just wondering if it's specific to this.

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c2theOPI am•

You asked how to discipline and that video goes through many attention exercises given by Neville Goddard.

Not sure what you mean by specific to this issue…? What issue?

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Sandi_T•

"The 12 disciples" (Disciplines of the 12 aspects of mind)

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Malialala•

That was one of my favorite chapters! I think people should really take the time to read all his writings, it doesn't take much time and honestly it's so full of information that you read them in one go.

I also started with this wanting to manifest a message! But now my motivation has completely changed. Whatever I do, I always ask myself, Who Am I or Who Do I Want To be? I end up defining myself, through conscious actions that I take, instead of just reacting to events.

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c2theOPI am•

I love that and I agree, just read and practice. It’s all you need

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Rip-Academic•

What have you manifested?

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c2theOPI am•

Increased pay, promotions, housing situations, bonuses, investments doing well - I’ve shared what I’m comfortable sharing if you look through my profile.

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23062021•

"The law never fails. You will always get what you are. Your dominate belief will always win.

And stop fooling yourself if you are not getting the results you want, you can not say you are faithful and ask on Reddit why it isn't working. Not being rude, just honest, it does not work that way. Because if you were, you would be getting the results you seek. It never fails"

So true..

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justmikeplz•

I have seen a person's world torn apart, as they had the strongest faith in the world that they would have a healthy child, and then they repeatedly miscarried. Had they continued to have such boundless and true faith, but ultimately reached an inevitable physical limitation, would you then say that "it was because they didn't have true faith?"

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c2theOPI am•

First my heart goes out to them. But yes, the dominate belief is still the law and it never fails. Theirs and yours.

The belief could be that many women suffer miscarriages, a focus on the fear of miscarriage is stronger than the faith you saw on the surface. We never truly know someone’s state.

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