Some tweeted-and-deleted thoughts from tonight’s eliminated queen
Posted Jul 29, 2021, 8:08 AM UTC
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I’ll be watching the untucked later. I feel for Jan however I think she got in her head and it was painfully obvious that production/Ru were trying to break her.
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A systematic attempt to break down her psyche, but it's not a joke.
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Not a joke, just a fact :(
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She also tweeted “😶🤐✌️” and deleted that (definitely the zipped lips emoji and the hands, the first might be wrong I didn’t ss)
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Indeed without watching Untucked, I can only get half of the story and contestants' characterization. I wish the editors can show Jan's more 'human' / emotional sides instead of giving her the villain edit, and it is brutal for the producers to try to negatively affect Jan's psyche during the competition.
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Jan's issue, IMO, is that she was unrelatable. Ru and the other judges clearly don't know how to get a message across, because Jan clearly wasn't getting the clue. When you're a public personality, just being a 110% professional performer isn't enough. Your fans need to be able to relate to you in some way. It doesn't have to be trauma or negative at all, just give us something. Jan talked about her grandparents backstage with Ginger (I think...); tell us more! That's stuff we can relate to! Why do we think that Trixie/Katya/Bob are so beloved? It's not JUST because they are talented; they're relatable. Jan just wasn't able to make those connections this season.
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Also when the judges tell you to bring the funk, you can’t just repeat the word endlessly with jazz hands..?
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You hit the nail on the head! I don't think most people know many details about Jan's personal life. It's what makes people memorable in life generally, knowing their story.
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Now that she’s gone, I think is enough with evaluating Jan’s personality and “shortcomings”. She’s great, maybe she wasn’t going to win this but it was good to see her talent on screen again.
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Untucked did nothing to warm me up to her at all tho?
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Agreed. I think end of the day Jan is just that 110% bubbly energetic person all the time, untucked and in the challenges. It’s unfortunate because that’s just not what they want (and of course we all know Mama Ru loves a trauma to exploit and a reason to bring up the “”””inner saboteur”””). I think they tried to direct her to give levels to the energy but it seems she just couldn’t give that at this point in her career ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Why is this post tagged as NSFW and why did she delete the tweet? I'm so confused 😶
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I think it is to avoid spoiling people who doesn't know who left yet :)
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Jan should learn how to not take herself so seriously.
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Jan is so talented but I can’t help but feel that her ego is her downfall. It’s not that she doesn’t understand the critique of her being on 24/7, it’s that she doesn’t see herself as eligible for critique.
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I think Jan has the same issue that Laganja had S6 where it seemed like she was putting on an act at ALL times and it comes off as unauthentic.
Jan’s unauthentic attitude and the fact that I think her drag has no real identity has turned me off from her. I’ve never really liked her, even on her original season.
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I don't think enough time passed between her original season and All Stars, and because of the pandemic she didn't really get any touring experience. Having said that, I do think the producers dislike her for whatever reason and she was never gonna get that far.
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#sadcringe
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Untucked Jan was definitely the Jan I wish we got on the main series. She still has her energy and sparkle, but she’s also got more levels and self-awareness than the Jan who can’t let any of her faults show.
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Werk
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#Justice4Jan
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There is no justice to be had here? She wasn't robbed.
A lot of Jan's problem seems like she doesn't absorb anything she deems as negative critiques. She hears it, she reacts to it, but she doesn't really take it in or listen to it in a meaningful way. Instead, she fixates on it. They told her to show us the funk about a handful of episodes ago and she has referenced that moment in almost every challenge since, outside of the pre scripted acting one, because she thinks that saying it is changing it.
Jan is a GREAT queen, no one is challenging that, and she is going to remain successful outside of the show, but in the confines of this show, she could learn a thing or two about being a great competitor and taking in feedback.
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The issue is that the feedback is quite literally "stop being you."
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... because you actually thought she was good in that challenge?😬
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I love Jan 💜💜 #justiceforjan
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Not this
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It took me a minute to understand what she’s saying. Does she mean that untucked was more real to her genuine experience and how she was with the girls?
I feel so bad for Jan. On one hand they preach about happiness, then on the other try to drag someone down for what seems like being too happy.
Like, ok, she doesn’t have this deep trauma to share for you to exploit. She is who she is.
She wasn't dragged down for being happy. They just felt like she was disingenuous and wanted her to be more "real". Jan is always Jan, and in some of the challenges they wanted to see Charlie. That is the balance that Jan couldn't find in either season.
I feel like I am just watching someone being constantly gas-light about their personality and I am really not here for that. I know several people who have Jan level energy and nice-ness 100% of the time. It's just them. It's not fake. I get they want her to have variation in her energy levels, but they are constantly casting it as her not being genuine which is awful. They want the "real" Jan. Well fuck them for telling her she isn't being real. She has said multiple times that is her, that is how she is. They should just say she doesn't have good acting chops because she can't vary how she presents herself. Plenty of other queens are atrocious at acting, it's not unique. Saying it is because she isn't showing us her true self is just cruel.
There were moments in the show that it felt forced or unauthentic. (Talk show being the best example for me.) I am or rather used to be one of those 110%. Now that I'm older and have more life experiences I have for sure chilled out so maybe this is just something Jan will have to figure out with time.
Either way she comes off as too 2D when the judges are asking for 3D over and over again.
it’s boring
Is Charlie her boy name? I got what they were saying but I didn’t agree. I felt like that was her authentic self. Not everyone’s drag “character” is going to be extremely different to their “real” self. And also it seemed like to them “real” seemed like - give us something sad to pull at the heartstrings. What if her truth is just being bubbly, happy etc?
Jan is a positive and bubbly person, sure, but no one is like that all of the time. They didn't necessarily want something sad, they just wanted something more vulnerable. Being vulnerable isn't always something RuPaul can be an armchair psychiatrist about. At the end of the day, though, neither of us know who the "real" Jan is since we don't know them personally, and all we can do is speculate with the limited knowledge we have of them from what we see on the show.
Even without trauma everyone has some sort of a story: I just think we still learned nothing about Jan from the lyrics, and in such a brutally tight competition they had to nitpick on something...The funny thing is they keep asking Jan to be more real, but in reality Jan has to be NOT real and just pretend to be someone else just once: just tell some sort of story, embellish. I'm fucking choked Jan is one of my favorite Queens for sure, argg I just wish she just played along for at least this challenge. Saying be yourself is a trick, she shouldn't have listened. The key should be tell a story.
I think the thing is, what she's saying is that there were times where she was more """real""" like she was during this Untucked, but it wasn't shown. Just a lot of editing and storyline stuff to make it seem like she was only one way.
Untucked isn't the challenges, though?
that's fair, tho I'm definitely in the minority and thought that we did get some moments where she was dialing it back and not being 110% all the time. that and who knows what all else they may have edited out to make it seem like she's 110% all the time rather than having variation, or moments where she's Charlie rather than Jan.
but also I agree with the original replier that I don't think there's a big difference between Jan and Charlie, and I feel like most drag queens on this season aren't that different from their persona either, if they even have one.
This was just producers trying to break someone down, no one dragged Ben this way in S6 while playing a character all season
She was told a ton of times that she was all costume and character and needed to be herself.
And then came out in a bug costume to be told that THAT look was the real her. That was a wild critique.
Yes they did. Michelle did more then once
And Darienne too
They... they literally did... it was pretty much DeLa's main critique in S6 💀
Yes they did though
honestly that was my first thought after seeing her talk in Untucked, that we rarely got shown her talking with the girls and it was just her saying the "meme-y" stuff. and I'm sure even Pandora has had more talking time with the girls that isn't shown, and all we end up getting is the camera panning to her saying nothing.
feels like even more stuff to make her look crazy through the storyline
Everyone keeps saying they are against Jan being happy, which is literally not what was meant.
I still thing the criticisms were valid if different levels and such but I suspected they had a narrative for her and no matter what she did, they didn’t plan on her winning. I feel like it’s like Thorgy about Stevie Nicks but all that paranoia was legit and producers told her that she was right