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quantumtoad

How can I best support my partner who is leaving an abusive relationship with his mother?

Hi everyone,

I'm posting on this subreddit instead of others because I know some of you may understand my unique situation.

I am Canadian (27F), my bf is Korean (26M). My bf is currently in Korea living with his abusive mother, I'm still in Canada. I previously posted here that I was going to Korea to get my boyfriend and help him out of his situation, but these plans have been cancelled. Korea won't let into the country even though I'm fully vaccinated and I was willing to quarantine.

Anyway, he is now coming back to Canada to me on his own at the end of August (he has a work permit to work in Canada so he can get in no problem). But things are getting quite tough. His mother had a mental breakdown today. She's extremely upset that none of his future plans involve her. She is also constantly telling him that he is the first born son in the family, therefore his family takes priority over his life. My boyfriend does not agree with this of course.

My boyfriend is still coming to Canada to live with me regardless, but he is still getting emotionally riled up by his mother. Today he told me he doesn't like upsetting her, and he is sad. He continues to make excuses for her- saying that she doesn't want him to leave because she is lonely, she is having body pain, that she has had a traumatic experience and doesn't trust men so she won't date to help with her loneliness, etc, etc.

I told my boyfriend point blankly that her emotions are not his responsibility. He is struggling hard to separate his emotions from hers. I also told him that she not acting like his mother, she is acting like his ex girlfriend. I told him a real mother would be happy that he is making his own choices in life.

But I fear I'm being too harsh. I'm a direct person, and I don't want to be harsh on him. I'm not sure if I'm going at this the right way. Some of you on this sub have suggested I help him get therapy when he comes to Canada, and I completely agree. My boyfriend has already agreed to do this.

But I need help in terms of knowing how to act when he starts emphasizing with his mom and her situation. He is constantly making excuses for her horrible behavior. This is not right at all, and it does frustrate me, even though I do my best not to show it. I try to be as understanding and compassionate as possible, but I also maintain directness.

I just have so much compassion and love toward him. He's just been through so much, and I really want to help him through this the best I can. Is there anything else I can do to better support him? Thank you for your help!

Posted Jul 30, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC · edited

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Idiomizer•

Filial Piety is engrained into our (Korean M here) very souls from the very moment you're able to talk or think in Korea, so your concern about being too harsh or direct towards your boyfriend with regards to your feedback about his relationship with his mom is well-founded.

Him being the first-born son of his family adds another layer, as Korea is still very much a primogeniture culture despite the modernization.

The best way to frame your discussion with him isn't the harm and inconvenience that his mother is causing him, but rather the fact that him not standing his ground is going to make both their lives more miserable as time goes on.

There are probably a few ways to approach this, so I'll try to lay out some of the ones that I think might be most effective.

  1. Discuss with him about the fact that because of his exposure to western cultures, he probably has a deeper understanding of mental health (Korean mental health is a joke) than his parents, and to start looking at his mother's behavior as unresolved issues that are harming his mother as well as those around him, rather than a mindset of "that's just who she is, I have to deal with it"
  2. Discuss that resolving this tension (which you obviously don't like) will mean that his mother can be more involved in his life and the life of her future grandchildren, and it'll be easier to do now before kids, rather than trying to make it work after (making some assumptions about your future plans and child-rearing which obviously is not a given)
  3. Discuss with him that his behavior, while in the context of old school Confucian filial piety might seem like him being a good son, but in the context of psychology is him being an enabler - and that he is doing his mother a disservice by enabling her and not pushing back, because getting push back from a child is probably the only thing in the world that can make an old school Korean parent try to change themselves for the better.

There are definitely many different avenues to approach this, but my advice to you is - frame the discussion positively (if you do x, y, z, your relationship with your mom could improve and she could even become happier) vs negatively (if you don't do x, y, z, I'm going to break up with you / make you feel bad about not pushing back / you're going to hate your life).

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7speedC7•

Good points, but in the end of she is obstinate, he needs to leave her behind and not look back. This is for his own good. If he allows his mother to continually manipulate him, then it will be detrimental for his future in many ways.

In the future his mother will pass away at some point, and where would he want his life to lead? Alone, his mother gone, and you off with another man? If he allows his mother to manipulate him it will lead to very serious consequences down the road.

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Hi_Im_Ken_Adams•

It's a tough situation. It's easy for us internet pundits to stand here and say "He should leave his mom!" but of course that is tougher to do in real life. Does he have any siblings?

At the end of the day, your BF simply has to make a choice about how he wants to live his life and live with the consequences. And to be fair to him, there WILL be consequences. His mom may disown him, or have another mental breakdown, or she will do something drastic...all in an attempt to guilttrip him. It may irreparably damage his relationship with his mother and other family members.

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The best you can do is support him through this. At the end of the day, this is his choice to make.

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quantumtoadOP•

Thank you for your kind reply. He has a younger bother.

Thankfully, he managed to stand up to her. He landed a full time salaried job in Canada, and he's coming in 3 days! I'm so excited :)

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mzfnk4•

A few phrases that might help are "I'm sorry she's saying these horrible things to you" or "I'm sorry she is putting you in such a difficult position." It lets him know you see how terrible she's being, but that it's still her causing the drama. You're his safe spot so he's dumping all of his emotions on you. Getting him a therapist when he gets to Canada will be very helpful.

My MIL was like this to an extent, but my husband wasn't living with her and wasn't around her anger 24/7. He could leave or hang up the phone when she was being unreasonable. I think once he's finally in Canada, he'll truly begin to see how toxic the situation was.

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quantumtoadOP•

Thank you so much for your wonderful reply. This is what I did...and it seems to have helped so much. He managed to stand up to her. He landed a full time salaried job in Canada, and he's coming in 3 days! I'm so excited :)

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Matcha_Maiden•

Based on your post it sounds like the mom is single? Is it possible to promise her that when COVID is over you and your SO can help her come to Canada from Korea?

I know she is using manipulative language about body pain etc but it sounds like your SO does love her, and she will not have any immediate family around when he moves?

I think you have to look at this through a lense of cultural understanding.

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bells-and-whistles•

I agree. And from the post it also sounds like the mom was the victim of domestic violence too. If that’s true I’m not saying the way she’s latching on to her son is healthy, but it makes a lot of sense. I don’t think he should cater his entire life to his mom, but I think he shouldn’t cut ties right away either.

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Sm00thieGuy•

"but I think he shouldn’t cut ties right away either"

You can assume that MOST Asians (male and female) aren't willing to cut ties with their parents. That's the part where cultures clash and you guys have to speak honestly with each other. Otherwise you'll have that topic pop down the road. I'm talking "generational contracts" stuff here.And multi-generational household stuff here. Culture clash bla bla.

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Sm00thieGuy•

Maybe it helps you understand by understanding that individual luck and family luck are one and the same for most of us asians. There is no right or wrong approach between individualistic fulfillment or social family-oriented fulfillment.Again. That's the part where cultures clash and it needs special attention from both parties.

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ultradip•

While cutting off the mom is the obvious step, you need to make sure he has a "safety net" of support that isn't 100% you.

I don't mean that you shouldn't do everything you can to support him. I mean that he needs a circle of friends here that go beyond just you.

If there's a Korean community in your area, see about becoming a part of it. It's likely there are others who've shared this cultural issue and being able to talk to others who've experienced it can be enlightening.

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quantumtoadOP•

He has friends here in Canada! Lots of them! Because he went to university here. I'll make sure to send him to his friends once he comes home.

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I previously read your post. I can't be of much help, but I do think therapy is the right way forward, and make sure he builds up a small group of friends in Canada for a support network. You are right, his mother shouldn't be acting like that and should want what is best for their child. However, in Asian culture the family does come first and it looks like your boyfriend is struggling with the fact that he wants to be happy, but also wants to make his mother happy. Eventually his family will have to come to terms with the fact that he is leaving with you.

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Not_kilg0reTrout•

Xipoohs son studied abroad. Doesn't that count? Clown.

Educated at Harvard. I suppose you should protest that, yes? Would be pretty hipocritical if... Wait. Nevermind.

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