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r/heroesofthestorm•
DigDux

So I play solo....

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Does storm league match you with same level MMR? I've only played quick match so far, but more and more often I'm finding myself matched with worse and worse players while my MMR climbs.

It's gotten to the point where if someone has fewer than 8-10 deaths it's usually a free win, but I've played with so many bad players I just can't really muster any reason to play the game. It just feels no matter how hard I play, I can't get them to do basic things.

Does the game just stack the teams so the MMR is roughly even?

I'm not that good, but I know I'm better than average. It's literally painful to double soak something while the other players chase into a bad fight.

I'm wondering whether I should get into storm league so I can play with players roughly my skill level or just drop the game if the way matchmaking treats the game like a solo system.

Posted Aug 3, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

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BlinkingKiwi:zeratul: Zeratul•

Yes, you will have a much better time in storm league, at least in NA and EU. If you are in master you will never get bronze/silver teammates.

In QM if you are master-level mmr, you will have bronze teammates in roughly half of your games because it only matches teams by average mmr, and as you have observed, your teammates will get worse as you get better.

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WorstMedivhKR•

Unless you play on a minor region server, generally the matchmaker will attempt to make sure players are all 10 close in MMR (within 2000 rank points of MMR or so) in average ranks (silver-plat). So unlike QM it's not only balancing average team MMR but it attempts to minimize player skill variance within teams to prevent that.

This is the primary reason the queues take longer.

Note that in the case of any parties, it treats the party as being at about the simple average MMR of the group (with a very small positive adjustment for being in a party, increasing with party size).

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Galeic1•

the match maker is using you to give other (your bad allies) a better win chance and therefore inreasing their engagement with the game so they will hopefully spend money. google "engagement optimized matchmaking" so you can see how this works. HOTS matchmaking is not really skill based. its why people eventually get fed up with the game and move on and ultimately why this game failed.the match maker is using you to give other (your bad allies) a better win chance and therefore inreasing their engagement with the game so they will hopefully spend money. google "engagement optimized matchmaking" so you can see how this works. HOTS matchmaking is not really skill based.its why people eventually get fed up with the game and move on and ultimately why this game failed.

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baconit420•

In quickmatch the matchmaker doesn't necessarily try to match you with similar mmr players but rather it tries to balance the mmr average between teams.

Every other mode afaik matches you with similar mmr players.

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FullOnGritz•

Storm League will match you with similar MMR. Quickmatch will average the MMR of groups in the entire spectrum. Therefore, if you have a high QM MMR you will likely have lower teammates playing solo, the opposite is true for SL.

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Solo_Wing__Pixy•

Yeah, according to Heroes Profiles my QM MMR is in Platinum, and every single QM game I bother to check, all of my random teammates have a QM MMR in Bronze or Silver.

Really explained a lot once I figured that out lol

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Senshado•

You can investigate this: Find the replays directory on your computer. Upload them to heroesprofile.com. Look at your matches on their web page and compare the estimated mmr between yourself and the other players.

Often when someone does terrible in a match it doesn't really mean that he's less skilled, but that the immediate circumstance was against him. Or he has other skills that you can't detect.

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HeroesProfileZemill•

That sounds like a lot of work!

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Just get the uploader https://api.heroesprofile.com/upload and you don't have to bother with finding that hidden replay directory!

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MergingCompleteProud 5-stacker•

Keep in mind that your interpretation of reality, and actual reality, will differ. You notice bad eggs on your own team far easier than on the enemy team, even though statistically there will be more on the enemy team if you play well.

Yes MMR matters in storm league. Yes it’s fair. It’s uneven against you as often as with you, when the games are uneven.

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DigDuxOP•

I do notice the games I just roll through. Hard not to notice a 10 min barracks or making someone go 1/8 because they don't understand a matchup. I've been that guy who just stomps the same bad player again and again and again to the point they just give up and refuse to do objectives. Zygara, Tracer, Genji, Valla, I have a 70% winrate from that position so I think I have some understanding of how the game works.

Or grinding 20 minutes waveclear because the other team will just lose the macro game due to their obvious inability to soak.

I don't care about being favored, I just care about having a semblance of capability on both sides.

From what I've seen in quickmatch, the game doesn't care about that, it just wants to roughly slot teams together regardless of how dominant some of the players are.

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MergingCompleteProud 5-stacker•

QM does match by MMR somewhat but it highly prioritizes swiftness of the matchmaking. If you want truly balanced games, that’s what ranked is for

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187-MDK•

Quick match is a circus. Maybe find a couple of people to party with

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Puuksu•

There are some factors at play here. Ranked was pretty much broken in 2018-2019 (if I recall it correctly) where average players got placed to diamond/masters very easily. As a result, people's MMR got fked pretty much (especially for them who rarely play ranked or just do placements).

Now, the simple answer is just to play A LOT. I believe this will fix the MMR in the long term, even if you run into a lot of losing streaks in the beginning, preserving good mental and learning will bring you back up eventually. This season I had two insanely long losing streaks myself because I rarely play ranked and did placements usually (placed plat 3 this season and climbed dia 5 multiple times, ended gold 2, now I'm back at plat 3). My gut tells me that my MMR was horribly bad for a period of times, now it's gotten better cus I've played over 200+ games now. I win a lot more games now. All games are solo queue.

Final thing to note is that you can "cheat" the ranked system via premades. But that's another issue I can't really comprehend or understand how or why it works that way. Some people smurf and team up to win games in very high success rate, that's about it.

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Necrazen•

IIRC SL will try to match you with similar MMR but if you don’t play it I don’t think it has enough data to accurately predict your MMR for that game mode. Which is why you see Fan queuing QM and getting into games with people literally playing their first few games ever because he doesn’t play QM and even though he’s high masters every season in SL it’s a separate MMR for QM.

Also I wonder about the ARAM queuing system and if it has a separate MMR than other modes.

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DigDuxOP•

I can climb out of whatever, soaking mechanics means you can always give your team a little edge in the same way gold based mechanics don't. That's why I got into the game in the first place since individual soaking mechanics don't really have a place in a team game.

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