Also, is this a complete lie on pierre’s side? Because this sounds like some bullshit he would spew out to favor his WVR fantasies. F-15s and F-14s struggling against F-5s when they were even able to use BVR missiles? Wtf?
I had to look it up and it makes sense, it's a careful retelling of the story. In the exercise the aircraft with BVR missiles still had to acquire visual ID, and rules would change as the blue team figured out tactics that allowed them to consistently score against the red.
So one of the tactics the F-14 pilots started using was getting separation so that part of the flight went ahead, got visual ID, broke off to avoid the AIM-9 range while the rear aircraft fired their BVR missiles.
There were a ton of engagements and as the kill ratios improved the rules were changed which forced the teen series pilots to face defeats and come up with new tactics to solve the new problem placed in front of them. That explained why in the end the score was dragged down to 2:1.
Unfortunately this retelling of the story cites "The Hoser Chronicles" at tomcat-sunset dot org but it don't think it's up anymore.
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Isn't it usually a given that OPFOR usually wins, since the point of the exercise is to find stuff to improve?
I had a teacher in Highschool who was a former Nellis and Eielson Aggressor and he had so many REDFLAG storys.
The common theme was. At the start of the exercise, Blue Team always got slaughtered. Then they would get better as the sorties went on and about the second to last day, they're winning every engagement.
After the primary training is done, they have one last Red vs Blue fight. Difference is the Red Team no longer is mimicking The Russians equipment, and instead gets to fly like an Eagle or Viper respectively.
While he was assigned. Blue Team never won that fight.
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Also, is this a complete lie on pierre’s side? Because this sounds like some bullshit he would spew out to favor his WVR fantasies. F-15s and F-14s struggling against F-5s when they were even able to use BVR missiles? Wtf?
I had to look it up and it makes sense, it's a careful retelling of the story. In the exercise the aircraft with BVR missiles still had to acquire visual ID, and rules would change as the blue team figured out tactics that allowed them to consistently score against the red.
So one of the tactics the F-14 pilots started using was getting separation so that part of the flight went ahead, got visual ID, broke off to avoid the AIM-9 range while the rear aircraft fired their BVR missiles.
There were a ton of engagements and as the kill ratios improved the rules were changed which forced the teen series pilots to face defeats and come up with new tactics to solve the new problem placed in front of them. That explained why in the end the score was dragged down to 2:1.
Unfortunately this retelling of the story cites "The Hoser Chronicles" at tomcat-sunset dot org but it don't think it's up anymore.
Isn't it usually a given that OPFOR usually wins, since the point of the exercise is to find stuff to improve?
I had a teacher in Highschool who was a former Nellis and Eielson Aggressor and he had so many REDFLAG storys.
The common theme was. At the start of the exercise, Blue Team always got slaughtered. Then they would get better as the sorties went on and about the second to last day, they're winning every engagement.
After the primary training is done, they have one last Red vs Blue fight. Difference is the Red Team no longer is mimicking The Russians equipment, and instead gets to fly like an Eagle or Viper respectively.
While he was assigned. Blue Team never won that fight.
This is a serious bruh moment for wikipedia
wikipedia tends to be a revolving bruh moment these days. iirc one of its founders even said they dont trust it anymore