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cuteandroid

What do you do If your hard Support leaves you alone? (2kish mmr)

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Yesterday I had two games in unranked where my support wont deward, pull just very occasionally and left me alone from min 3 or 5.

Here's what I did. Begging for mercy to my supports and pls come back to lane. Buying sentries myself to unblock pull spots, pulling myself. And try to stay behind tower. I ended up with very low farm at min 10. This escelated throu out the game since my other cores farmed basically whole jungle. I couldnt recover. In the second game where my support left me alone this time i tried something else. Well... I again was begging for mercy but this time I retreat to my jungle early. Which resulted in a quick lost Tower and me being underleveled. This time it was even worse. I had to basically ward and deward like 50% of the game.

I struggle with such situations cuz I think "If my team doesn't do their job, i need to fill the gap myself". But... If i try to do support and be the fight Initiator while actually being the Safe Lane Carry... I end up being a Frankenstein like creature... with not enough farm to be the Carry but also not enough time spend to do Support stuff cuz i try to recover from early game.

Posted Aug 25, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

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Lklkla•

First off, pick heros that either do well solo, or can jungle if lane is unwinnable.

You have to buy your own regen. Supports aren’t buying you regen till 5k, you can cry about it, or learn to play around it.

If you can’t jungle on hero, boots is best solo item to draw aggro, prevent dives, and squeak out a few last hits. You can’t out trade 2 heros, with any item choice.

Work on creep aggro skills, willing to bet you aren’t as most 2k cores don’t.

If your hero can jungle, buy jungling items. And hit it up.

Something people forget. If you can’t approach wave or jungle. Is walk back half way between t1 and t2, and block wave to make enemy waves come under tower. Get do, let double wave push out, and you’ll get wave again in 2 waves, jungle/pull in mean time.

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cuteandroidOP•

i never rely on regen from supports, i always have my own regen, period. I just answered the comment "Supports will come back to regen you" which dont happened in my case. I also block between t2-t1. Probably I do not aggro the waves enough and for sure i don't bought Boots in such case. I'll try that!

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Double_Agent_1271•

As a support, we sometimes leave the carry alone and just pull enough times to stabilize the lane near the safelane tower, and not let the creeps in.. we do this so that the carry can get some solo xp, get higher level, and can go to jungle early, so that we pos5's get some solo xp and maybe some farms ourselves..

So if the enemy 3&4 are not going to kill you, keep focusing on CS and not trading, especially if you are anywhere other than herald, your support will keep coming back to give you regen..

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cuteandroidOP•

I know, i am pos5 main, trying to learn pos1. But i didnt got salves or any regen. I don't even want to complain, i was not angry. i Just want to know what is the best move from a pos1 in this situation?

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Double_Agent_1271•

I guess stay alive and take safe cs till you out-level them?

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cuteandroidOP•

Sounds good... But how? How can i outlevel or outfarm them by only taking safe CS behind tower? Most of the time there was barely a half wave arriving, other half denied.

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Double_Agent_1271•

Also, the best advice I can give you is DON"T TAKE ANY OF MY ADVICE I AM A FUKIN 800 MMR TRASH

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Double_Agent_1271•

If I were you, I would buy sentries to block the big camp even as a core if the sup not gonna do that.. if the wave is meeting under your tower, there is no way it will be denied already.. if the wave isn't.. you gotta get out into the wave, use creep aggro to pull back the creeps so they don't get denied.. and basically keep pulling the creep agro towards your tower till it reaches the spot where you can safely cs..

Do not try to contest CS while doing this and you won't get killed/take heavy damage..

This IS going to be quite difficult but that's the thing.. the game is supposed to be difficult without proper pos5 plays..

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Merunit•

I’m the same, playing mostly support but now learning core. The number of useless supports in unranked amazes me, I do often have to buy wards/sentries because in chat they ignore the requests.

My guess would be if your support leaves you alone and you get badly harassed 2 vs 1, just type in the chat “I cannot farm /depush alone and I’m leaving the lane” and then go to the opposite late (from bottom to top for example) and try to help your teammates to push the lane & take the tower.

This would likely force your original enemies to leave your original lane as well - or they take your tower but loose theirs.

I may be wrong but this is what seems most effective to me in case of unresponsive teammates. Definitely not staying and feeding or envying them from the bushes.

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greenapple99•

Just get to the point where you can jungle and well, jungle. Make sure to get back to lane and def tower if you can get away with it (for example, doom/arena wasted and/or pos 4 rotated). Since you're probably gonna lose your safelane tower, try to identify if you can rotate to your offlane and take their tower in return.

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daemoloffline•

Pos1? Farm all game ignore almost anything happens in the game, make yourself a juicy carry with 500 dmg and 40 armor and Finnish the game in one fight or two.

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TriPod_DotA•

Every guide I see on dota says buy regen if low. Keep buying regen as needed, should generally take precedence over your early items so you can stay in lane and get xp

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nekominiking91Mid Disruptor•

That horrible from my point of view, i play both carry and hard support.. What worst than single pulling to make the wave double making the carry life miserable is leaving them alone in the laning phase. Not just he now going to get 0 farm and experience with 2v1. The creep is at the middle or just slight above the enemy tower making it deadly to just getting close.

Pos 5 who babysit carry job is to make sure carry can farm not busy with getting yourself level and gold. CARRY NEED FARM EARLY so he can flash farm in mid game. The level will come by itself. With supp not doing his job the carry not even going to get his lvl 6 around 7-8min instead straight up stomped throughout the entire game. HE dont need regen given once a while he need YOU to help him to secure cs for his item.

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nekominiking91Mid Disruptor•

If you going to pull at least stack it double or do a half pull around 18-19/48-49, pulling just 1 melee and range creep so the wave will go back under your tower.

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Double_Agent_1271•

Leaving them alone isn't same as leaving them helpless.. It means letting them have solo xp, trade and regen whenever you got items or spells, It is done on only with carries that can sustain.. Think Lifestealer/ Jug or Bloodseeker.. not with someone like Anti mage.. This is a Situational play, not everytime.. IF you are playing, like WW, you can't trade.. so you keep the lane maintained, Trade whenever Q is up and buy regen for the carry while trying to minimize the XP you take.. (time with creep HP).. But if you are playing , Bane, for example... Stay in lane and keep beating pos3/4

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ItsFuckingScience•

You can post to a replay so people can look at what you did

Begging supports and saying pls come back repeatedly or spamming for help often makes people not want to bother if they think you are just crying about it. Sometimes they have to help mid or rotate elsewhere or whatever. Just let them know the situation.

If you’re under farmed and under levelled you don’t need to be initiating fights. It’s fine to ignore your team if they take a bad fight and continue farming. Just make sure to split push a lane or pressure objectives instead of being afk jungle in that case. Make sure you have a tp available to take advantage of farm around the map if a lane is pushing your tower and nobody is farming, or if the enemy team dives your team and you can help.

People who normally play supports are often bad at carry because they don’t play selfish enough. You do have to be selfish sometimes to play pos 1. It’s not your job to support your team. You can still get a ward or deward to protect your farming area or triangle etc if a support isn’t but your main job is to increase your net worth and level.

If you need to farm jungle go farm it. Don’t let your other cores take your farm. Assert yourself more

Also be aware that you can’t win every game

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CaesarsspiritDark Seer•

I was about to ask questions but this comment really sums up stuff. Upped

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[deleted]•

Learn to pull yourself. Learn to creep agro

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orbital_llamaStorm Spirit•

Your best friend is using creep aggro, it’s hard to manage pulls and wards and cs all by yourself. Pull when you can but CONSTANTLY drag creeps towards your tower where it’s safer (ideally drag them when they are low hp, so that you can get them away from enemies and being denied and then quickly get last hit.) this is not how you are meant to play but is probably the easiest way to manage a no support situation. Remember, your advantage in this situation is that you will get xp FAST. Build a lvl advantage and use it any way you can.

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NixxZz23•

Just stay ultra defensive until you are 100 certain they are trying to take your tower, and frequently dive tower to kill you (or nearly). Feel free to tp to Offlane when youre certain that your lane is dead and take their lane.

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NobleArch•

Request stacks. Stack Pull/Aggro. Ferry regen. Just try survive get some levels until you can start farm in jungle at 7. Understand what hero you up against. Some matchup you can survive and still get last hits.

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SuicideByPoEImmortal•

Crush your lane from minute 0-5. This is really the highest impact difference you can make. Get as much of a CS/deny advantage and build items appropriate for the lane OR build items to allow you to jungle early and flashfarm from there.

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scorekeeper12EZBREZ•

You can’t choose your lane partner. If they suck, you just recognize it and don’t let it tilt you. Do your best to rotate between lane and jungle. The game isn’t won or lost in the laning phase. Plenty of times I’ve lost lanes and won and won lanes and then lost.

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taenyfan95•

You are probably not doing the basic lane mechanics like creep aggro for last hits, maintaining creep equilibrium in front of tower, buying enough regen and most importantly not missing cs.

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[deleted]•

I hate how people just assume shit in this sub when the reality is the community as a whole is garbage and it doesnt get better.

till immortal you cant count on anyone to play their role properly

Your rank really is mostly luck as a mathmatical fact "What about smurfs?" That just further proves my point youre either lucky you have one or unlucky you dont. And even smurfs lose games due to bad team mates Its delusional to assume you can win every game on your own.

Every member not playing their role is an enemy you cant kill. So what i do is change the goal post. " im probably not winning this game so i wana do ____" each skill in your tool book gives you a slightly higher percentage of winning in a not trash game

Once you get lucky enough to get out of low tier hell all you have to worry about is people throwing for miniscule reasons because remember THE COMMUNITY IS TOXIC the number of well adjusted people with this game as a hobby is far and few between.

If this game is still fun for you just play with everyone on mute or in a party of people you trust.

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taenyfan95•

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wtf are you trying to say

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[deleted]•

To you. That youre just assuming shit. The rest is to op. Maybe take a class in reading comprehension

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