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cuteandroid

My pos1 journey so far

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Basically I farmed tokens in ranked roles to get a guaranteed safe lane pick. But before that i practiced 10 games in unranked. I have played some carrys in the past but i was more like playing the hero instead of playing the role.

So my unranked games been quite surprising. I could pick pos1 in 10 out of 10 games. And people only insulted me for picking "their" safe lane only 4 times. Threads against my mom or my life in general been only two cases. People are almost sort of friendly. After that I feld rdy for ranked. I got a good start with roughly 56% winrate. But now I'm going slowly back to 50% since i burned some mmr. I started at 2400, came to 2700. And now im around 2500ish. Some games been clearly my fault. Some games ppl just tilted. In general I noticed WAAAAY more toxicity against me compared to any other role. I was pos5 main and I can tell you, Core Players are insulted WAAAAY more. As a pos5 i thought ppl blame me for warding and shit even thou i bought most wards in the game period. But.... The cores man... The cores.... The biggest pressure I felt never came from enemy but always from my own team.

I'm Not gonna deny I failed here and there. But... It is unreal for what mates blame you ... Basically for anything. I'm sitting at 30 used tokens now and i Think i'll just use "all Chat muted" from here on. cuz i click more mute buttons than creeps... Or at least more compared to pos5.

Most considerable people blame my builds... Even thou they are not my builds.... I Copy Paste from DotA buff Hero Guides. Which Shows you what pros do build.

So far I can only suggest as a pos1 to get rdy for massive loads of Shit Talk and i personally will move on with mute all from here on... It is even more ridicoulus If you consider my behavior score... Which is 10k (Not kidding).

Posted Aug 30, 2021, 10:31 AM UTC · edited

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yosefagus38Riki•

Ofc pos 1 will get a lot of preassure from your team. Because all of their Investment is to make sure you can carry the game. I am pos 3 and I really upset at pos 1 often. I party with my brother, he is a midlaner, and we both create a ton of preassure everywhere. We gank, we kill. Some games we win without carry. Our carry have 0 kill and little assist when I and my brother get 20 kill each. But, despite being good at creating space and making pressure, we still lose some games. Why? Because my free farming pos 1 farm like a snail and build wrong item. And he cant carry us. And then we upset because all of our Investment doesn't win the game.

And then I get a good sugestion to stop blaming pos 1 and try to play carry instead so I can understand how hard it is to play carry. Oh well, I will play carry. And I know how hard it is to play carry if your offlane suck. I got ganked by 4 men while my mars make 0 preassure top. But there is one game when my pos 3 is good. He make a lot of space for me. And games is so much easier if you are free farming. And this makes me want to flame my pos 1 even more. I know how ez it is to play when you are free farming, but you still suck at playing.

But the thing is. There is more good carry player than good offlaner, and hitting creeps for 20 min doesn't give me any fun at all. So I stick playing offlane and hope my carry doesn't waste my Investment.

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cuteandroidOP•

Idk man. Now that I spam pos1 i can RARELY see my offlaner or my midlaner gank bot. EVEN If enemy trilane against us OR gank us every 2 minutes. Actually, i can't even remember ONE game where I asked for a gank in the botlane and Someone reacted. The only time my mid for example helped out was when they felt like it.

Also i can hardly Imagine you and your Brother gaining 20 Kills each game and creating space. If so you could carry the game on your own. If enemy has less space to farm even a Magnus or Pango could kill a pos1 PA for example.

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yosefagus38Riki•

you could carry the game on your own.

This is exactly what me and my brother do each game. But you know that the more MMR you get, you will meet stronger oponent. And when I reach that point, me and my brother cant single handedly win the game anymore. Yes we have kill threat and good damage. But most of the time we lack of tower push. That is why we have 20 kills in game but we hit tower like shit. And that is the only thing that I need to rely on my pos 1. My brother love to play void spirit, and I play ns or axe and underlord. Which really good at killing people but strugle at hitting tower.

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darth_vladiusSpectre•

In general I noticed WAAAAY more toxicity against me compared to any other role.

Mid used to be the most flamed role. These days mid is played in a way that prevents one of the mids getting so stomped that they become useless and the other mid snowballs out of control. This leaves the outcome of the game to the carry with the other 4 players trying to create space and apply pressure on the enemy team. The carry is supposed to not take part in this for the longest time. This is where the criticism comes from if the carry is not able to use the provided space to get strong enough to carry the game.

However, people have unrealistic expectations towards the carry. For example:

  • They rarely understand that if they have lost all lanes and the enemy pushes their advantage, the carry can do almost nothing to prevent the stomp, even if they're given a few minutes of free farm.

  • People don't understand that sometimes they make the life of their own carry impossible by picking too greedy heroes and taking the safest farm when the carry is not ready to take dangerous farm or is simply not able to do that.

  • People don't understand, that if they feed, for example by taking bad fights without any vision, it's not the carry's fault that the game is lost. The carry can do only so much because the carry is very reliant on networth and level difference. It doesn't matter if the carry has 700+ GPM if the enemy cores have 600+ GPM each and the supports have all kinds of support items, while his own cores are struggling with under 500 GPM due do dying repeatedly.

The carry is expected to be a miracle worker much like in the old days when a fed carry could go 1v5 and win. It's not possible these days, not in an evenly skilled match.

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devel_watcherNaga Siren•

Lol, you haven't tried to play carry before the overwatch system, it was a report dodging simulator.

Of course carries are flamed. They come and throw away all the work the team has done so far in the match. :D

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cuteandroidOP•

As a pos5 main prevously I can confirm that it is very frustrating when I for example stack camps like a mad man. But my Sven wont take it and 1 min later the enemy TA does take it. BUT now from a pos1 perspective. I see things different. Pos1 can not throw away Teams affords. It is not possible, at least not pos1 alone. If you think your pos1 throw the game away single handed, you are wrong. If for example Mid fails as well, that is enough to lose laning stage hard.

But even then it is possible to come back If offlaners and Supports creates some space. But If two lanes fails AND no space is creates, this will lead to losing OFC.

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devel_watcherNaga Siren•

Pos1 can not throw away Teams affords. It is not possible, at least not pos1 alone.

It's possible. I've tested that.

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IncoherenLevel 4 fireblast = 75% chance 500dmg 2.1 sec stun (8 second CD)•

If someone says anything defeatist I just insta mute now days. Those people will not say anything valuable I guarantee it.

It is funny how the most toxic are usually the supports. They work their asses off in the first 10 minutes or so and then they just have a mental breakdown and stop tying. Partially cos they believe a support can't snowball to the end game (incorrect) and partially cos they expected things to go better and they for some reason can't cope when the game isn't a free win stomp.

As far as item suggestions go, I would say give their recommendation a consideration, but rarely divert from your own plan unless they made a point you had not considered. Sometimes people will be very adamant about their opinion and gang up on you and it's still a garbage opinion. I've ignored so many requests to get MKB in games vs PA. We just end up nuking her and using the 5k gold on something more useful to end the game.

If you think pos 1 is fun I'd recommend just find a few heroes you will enjoy spamming, and spam them. Hero spam is always good for improving but even more as Pos 1 IMO as it's the best way to become more consistent... And beign consistent is the best trait a carry can have. Just learning simple stuff like how to secure range creep last hits in lane etc. Repetition goes a long way.

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