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cuteandroid

Pos1 Question

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Yo, in my last game I was Sven and got pressured very hard by SD, he basically spammed his shit on me and got some huge stacks. I dodged some waves but since he was rly spamming it he got some stacks anyways on me.

I pretty much abandoned the lane and fall back to jungle. Since this is something Sven can do well (cleave) i was almost fine. But the darkseer invaded my Jungle. I start buying my own sentries and wards.... But... This escelated so hard that i bought basically all wards for the rest of the game and my supports won't do it cuz.... I dunno... "Sven will do it" i guess. We won the game and I would even say because of me... But that was a shitty Game and If I wouldnt be Sven but for example slark that wouldnt worked out half as good.

If my jungle isnt safe cuz no vision i can deal with that and get occasionally wards. But what If wards are ALWAYS Up and my team refuses to buy them??

Should I always Ward myself for the rest of the game? Is this the right approach?

Posted Sep 7, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

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greenapple99•

Just buy obs, buy sentries if you know where a ward is or if they have nyx or a similar hero

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cuteandroidOP•

I see, probably I can be happy that they didnt bought them so I could Ward where I needed it.

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equanimitee•

I know some players say Magic Stick is bad, but you pretty much need one against SD to sustain against his spam

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cuteandroidOP•

I totally agree and bought even a early Wand. But this SD was very clever. He spammed from fog so I wouldnt get charges.

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baerniislove4.6K•

Stick is great, upgrading it to wand is sometimes unnecessary when you do it after the laning stage ends and your plan is to hit neutrals anyway.

I think almost every pro would tell you that stick is a really great item and you would need it against heroes that spam low cooldown spells

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KOExpress•

Not that good against SD because he can stand in the trees and you won't get charges

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kimjeongpwn•

Who says stick is bad? Pretty sure pros buy it a lot.

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yosefagus38Riki•

10 charge stick gives you 200 mana and hp which is equal to mangoes and fireflies. It is more than 200 gold.

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Isaacvithurston•

Stick is bad? It has over 50% buyrate though 0.o

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Isaacvithurston•

Sounds like they identified your supports as potato tier and realized they can just pressure the crap out of you.

Pos 1 farms but the rest of your team is responsible for getting you there. Actually why I think Pos 1 is not the carry in reality. Pos 1 is the result of the team carrying until Pos 1 can kill for them :P

Also yah if team is potato you do everything. Like don't go out of your way but you can ward while farming.

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cuteandroidOP•

Ye basically this is what i did without flaming or crying. Still it was a bit underwhelming when I did Ward even after min 20 and my supports won't change behavior... I guess this is how it goes If you wanna climb.

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Isaacvithurston•

yup especially in ranked roles where most of your support are a core doing thier 1 game to get 4 core games. Why you always see these really lackluster supports like wr/hw with maelstroms or whatever lol. In thier mind they are better at core than thier own core and they will carry or some really dumb scrub logic.

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cuteandroidOP•

Yea, that sounds legit since my supports didnt bought a single support Item (no force, glimmer, urn... nothing). Like they never played support before.

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yosefagus38Riki•

Pos 1 is the result of the team carrying until pos 1 can kill for them

I can't agree more

I am pos 3 and 80% Times I get more kills and assist than pos 1. But If my pos 1 doesn't use the space I give by killing people to scale, we will lose.

Idk what is the true meaning of carry anymore. I get several match when we don't need carry when we have a building hitter such as Tiny. So I play pos 3. Killing people and we end the game as usual. Without pos 1. Our carry sitting with 0-2-5, when Tiny and I have 10 kill ish.

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Isaacvithurston•

Carry is an insurance plan for when the game actually goes past 20m :P

Sadly Carry insurance plan is like a lotto ticket

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yosefagus38Riki•

No matter how much space I give. Shitty carry lose me game most of the time.

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TheGalatorDotaFromZero Coach•

Shitty game. But YOU won it. That how it is sometimes. U did correct

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cuteandroidOP•

Ty sir. I'll keep on with this strat and will continue to do other roles jobs in order to raise mmr (hopefully)

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rioreiser•

post the game id so we can take a look.

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cuteandroidOP•

I don't think it is needed but sure, here you go https://de.dotabuff.com/matches/6169463800

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BobWarez•

Yes. Place the obs. wards where you want to play so you’re safe. Pair with a sentry if you’re against invis heroes or think there may already be an enemy sentry nearby. Nothing worse than placing an observer only to get dewarded by a pre-placed sentry.

The team will usually gravitate towards you and the vision naturally. If you’re farmed and playing the right area of the map you should win despite the supports not warding

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Panda_With_Your_Gun•

You're POS 1. You have to calculate and you have to drive the game. You also have to do this while playing with your team. In this situation you have to buy wards. If your team can't or won't then they're bad. You don't need to lose because of this.

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MovingSapien•

Dude imagine playing an item-dependent carry and being abuse damn hard even in the jungle, yet still win the game BECAUSE OF him. Enemy must be very shitty, or Sven is OP this patch.

Btw, a lot of people forgot about 250 gold miracle called Infused Raindrops. Get a bunch of these and Wand and regen, you are pretty much survivable against any abuser.

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yosefagus38Riki•

I always buy the wards and sentry. Even when I am playing core. Why? Because obs is free and sentry is cheap as fuck, and I got gold and xp for dewarding. And sometimes I hate it when my support buy all the wards. Most of them doesn't know how to place it. Sometimes we need agresive Ward but they place it in our jungle instead enemy.

Just buy it. It is cheap and you got gold for dewarding.

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