Genetic Muscle Potential - In case you want some goals.
$10 says I'll have to liberate this from the spam filter
I guess I'll never be 235 with 10%bf
Posted Feb 23, 2012, 4:44 AM UTC
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I remember the sh1tstorm and crying that article promoted when it first came out - people not being able to deal with the fact that they will never be 350lb and 2% with or without roids.
The fact is most people will never get anywhere near those figures, so they are a great goal to aim for.
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Cell tech > genetics
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Oh come on, he was joking!
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Glad somebody got it. Everyone is just unaware these days....
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...That appears to be 6 words
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CANT SLIP ONE BY HIM
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my roommate swears that his friend is now fat because he started taking Creatine and stopped working out, i don't even know how that works.
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Why the hell would someone do that? You might as well buy new tires for a bike and put it in storage.
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Am I the only one that thinks adding 15lbs of muscle over a couple years with a bf % of around 10% is a fine goal?
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I don't buy it. I'm of Russian and Viking blood. My ancestors came to America on the backs of wild bearnoceroses and defeated the savage tribes of the northern frozen tundra, commonly known as Canada. My genetic lineage is of the purest most evolved men to have ever roamed this land. Only the strongest, fiercest warriors survived. Therefore, my genetic potential is far greater than all of yours. I'm considered a dwarf vikingski at 5'5" and my genetic potential dictates that I can achieve at least 250 pounds of lean body mass.
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Gene therapy > roids
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Basically yes.
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I enjoy the fact that my own "realistic" forecast for what I should weight at 10% bf, what I want to weight AND what this article outlines all put me in roughly the same number, sweet.
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According to all of that my maximum potential at 10% bf is 220lbs considering I'm around the 180lbs mark at the minute I have a lot of gains to make it seems!
Edit - Odd there seem to be some downvotes on this post. I cannot fathom why. I am 6'3" so am I wrong to calculate 220lbs as a max?
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Obviously people must be jealous of your maximum potential lean body mass, for some reason...
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So when undergoing a cycle of anabolic steroids, one can push past their genetic limits for total muscle mass. However, when one came off a steroid cycle when at a lbm above their natural genetic potential, would they lose their gained muscle mass and decline back to their genetic limit even with continued training and proper nutrition?
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After consulting with some of my anabolic guru friends, there was some consensus that it's seemingly possible through longer steroid cycles to overcome the genetic limitations long term. Even without continued steroid use, it's possible for some of them to maintain the extra muscle mass to an extent. However, there's a limit to this even with steroid use helping with the initial gains. In some cases, they're able to retain gains around 15 to 20 lbs over their proposed genetic limit at 10% body fat. However, gains in excess of 30 lbs over the genetic limit typically shed within a year's time, even with proper training and nutrition. On the other hand, others contended that, despite proper training and diet, you will eventually return to baseline without anabolic supplementation. Although I cannot confirm these anecdotes, that was their two cents and I thought I would share for those who were curious.
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Considering your BF is already quite low your sizes will change very slowly. Assuming you're untrained or very close to it you should outfit yourself to a minimum degree for now and plan to replace most of it at some point a year or two in the future. Alternatively, delay the wardrobe change for 6 months, you'll see your biggest changes in the first 6 months if you have your workout and nutrition calibrated.
And yes you can maintain with a reduced frequency and volume of training as long as you adjust your diet accordingly; you can cut your total workload down to about 1/4 to 1/3 of your bulking workload. Basically cut both volume and frequency to 50-60% and maintain intensity at the same level.
If you were doing starting strength you would move from 3 sessions per week to 2 sessions and from 3x5 to 2x5 for your sets x reps. That's erring on the safe side, you could probably get away with a single work set.
An interesting article on low-volume training.
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I hang out in MFA. I have an idea of what you are talking about. It is difficult to gauge where the will be added. You can assume that you will have to buy dress shirts if you add 20-30 lbs. A few reasons:
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Neck: will bigger and a tight neck on a dress shirt is uncomfortable. It also makes the collar not lay correctly.
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Sleeve length: Increased shoulders, back and chest means that your shirt cuffs are probably too short. From a fashion perspective this is an absolute no no.
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Body: If you are buying slims or super slims (and you probably should be) you are most likely ok. I think the regular sized dress shirts are made with fat guys in mind.
Dress shirts require a spot on fit (IMO). I dont think you can get guess where the mass will go and buy accordingly. It also means you would look kinda foolish now. Buy what fits now and if that changes you buy again.
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I'm about the same height as you, and near your goal weight, but slightly more bf% that your goal. My neck is 16.5", my sleeves are 32-35 depending on the cut of the shirt. The best advice I can give you is that it will take time to find cuts and brands of shirts that fit you better than others. Having the proportions of someone who is in shape makes it rough to find clothes. Look for slim or fitted cuts. Even those might feel silly depending on your waist measurements. It can be frustrating as hell to find new clothes, especially if you have more "ideal" bodybuilding/fitness body measurements. Just keep sticking to it, it'll be worth it in the end.
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This some good shit
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I'm currently 90kg (198lb) and at ~180cm (6ft) with potential of 84kg (185lb) lean muscle mass
I'm currently around 15% body fat. which means I currently have 76.5kg (169lb) of lean muscle mass
only 7.5kg (17lb) to potential muscle mass doesn't seem right as I have only been strength training for 2 months, though I have never been really inactive
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I think you'll find you are a lot higher than 15%.
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what do you think?
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I think the estimation is pretty far off. Also you said you were untrained which also backs up that theory. I'd say you're up in the low-mid 20's (23-25%). At 15 and below you should be able to see abs whilst flexed. You should have some separation between your deltoid/bicep. Your ribs should be showing down the side of your stomach. It's possible you're only carrying 62-65kg lbm.
If someone was 15% at your weight/height they would be carrying large amounts of muscle and would look like a beast (even at 15%).
Edit: Just following up, i did a search on bb.com's bodyspace for people your height/weight who are around 15%. These photos are of people who are 180cm and around 88kg. First photo might be a touch under.
http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2007/10/08/360309/gallerypic/1148221e.JPG http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/06/08/336049/progresspic/1uCB18f31C4SRigE169Pj28g412Xg0008.jpeg
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Do you have to be a member to do a search based on weight, height and bodyfat? I'm looking to see what bf% I am but can't get a good photo so hoping to make a guesstimate from photos.
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i can see my abs when i flex. i am unflexed in all the pictures
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I'd say somewhere between 15 and 18%. You should get a skinfold test done.
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I thought I was 14% for awhile, I mean that is what the skin fold calculators and the bioimpedance kept saying. Then I got a Bodpod test done and I found out I was 18.6% I was like holy shit. It is amazing how much we underestimate out BF percentage.
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i was tracking my weight and bf around 6 months ago. it was around 13 or 14% bf for the jackson/pollock 3. though i assumed from looking at my picks that i had a bit more bf then i was measuring, hence 15% is my guess
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casey butt has a nice calculator that takes your wrist+ankle size into consideration too.
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...you mean the one discussed in the article...?
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Butt as a family name, really?
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Used to know a guy named Buttram. Probably why he was such a scrappy SOB, really.
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I went to school with a Buttkis. He played football, unsurprisingly.
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Get this, some people have a last name of...wait for it...HITLER!!
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That's encouraging. I've been doing dedicated for 3 months on SS/SL/oly-type programming and in that time my BW has stayed the same with a BF decrease of 3%. Looks like I'm right on track with 5 lb muscle gained and 5 lb fat lost in that amount of time.
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I created an excel spreadsheet to do all the maximum potential calculations for you. Not sure if this is the best way to share it, but I don't really know any other way so here it is on google docs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak-JBRIYQsfNdDAwWjlyZmduOUVDS1daSGpuNXBUZ3c#gid=0
Any suggestions for changes are welcome.
Edit: Here is a direct link to download it from dropbox:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46535820/Body%20Stats.xls
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This is really great. Thanks. I was wondering if there's a metric version too.
Okay I'm having an Issue here. I input all my information and according To this my genetic potential is below what I have already attained.... I must be doing something Wrong can someone explain how to use this propely?
You're a superhuman. It's the only logical explanation.
Seriously though, what are your stats? It's possible if you're using the google doc version that somebody messed with the formulas. Try it on the excel file and see if you get the same results.
I'm 6'4 250 lbs 7.5 inch wrists and 9.5 inch ankles and I'm on a smart phone if that makes any difference
Approximate BF%?