Bloodraven and Blackfyre are possibly the most awesome characters in the series. I just can't seem to decide whose side I would pick.
Whose side are you on and why?
Posted Feb 23, 2012, 2:45 PM UTC
Daemon Blackfyre was given the sword, he was our lawful king! He was the Warrior himself on the battlefield and not weak like Daeron!
Daeron was the bastard! Aegon knew Daemon was his true son and wanted him to be king.
Look what happened when Daeron became king. Bloodraven really ran the country. He turned it into a Big Brother totalitarian regime where you're constantly being watched by his thousands eyes.
And one!
Here here!
Appropriate flair.
Seconded.
Beneath the Gold, The Bitter Steel.
We haven't read much about his skills, have we? Was his fighting prowess comparable to Daemon?
It's likely he was a competent fighter. He was responsible for the loss of Bloodraven's eye during the battle of Redgrass Field, and afterwards he made a career as a sellsword with the Second Sons before forming his own mercenary company.
Blackfyre, because Bloodraven freaks me the hell out.
Targaryen, because Bloodraven freaks me the hell out.
I would support whomever my lord supported.
Would've probably sided with Daeron and Bloodraven, the legitimate heir and one badass warg.
I read your name and flair first and was really hoping to see that you were siding with Daemon
How are you a Blackfyre and named Bloodraven? Best of both worlds?
Daemon was the Blackfyre, Daeron was the heir.
......What? I'm talking about his name, it's Bloodraven aka Brynden Rivers, who was a Targaryen loyalist, but his sigil is that of the Blackfyres. It's an oxymoron.
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Loyalist (Targaryen supporters)
House Arryn
House Lannister
House Martell
House Hayford
House Caswell
House Penrose
House Lefford
House Templeton
House Webber
House Waynwood
Rebels (Blackfyre supporters)
House Costayne
House Bracken
House Lothston, though they switched back to the Targaryens before the Redgrass Field.
House Reyne
House Shawney
House Peake
House Osgrey
House Strickland
House Sunderland
House Yronwood
Don't really see the rebels pulling it of, the great houses are all on the loyalist's side. So I'd probably remain loyal or just stay the hell out of it.
Or maybe the lesser houses became lesser because they supported the wrong side? Spoiler Dunk & Egg
I think he's talking about Arryn, Martell, and Lannister being on the loyalist side while no other great houses appear on the rebel list. The great houses were fairly well-established and static after Aegon's landing, until the War of the Five Kings, of course.
Exactly my point. Smuggy is quite right, those lesser houses became lesser still after til rebellion, but Lannister > Reyne, Martell > Yronwood, Arryn > anyone of the others.
Who did House Stark support?
They stayed out of it from what I understand. The North after all is pretty far away.
Yet another civil war? Pah! Bugger the Targaryens, and bugger the Blackfyres. I'll leave you "great lords" to your royal pissing contest, if it please you. I'll be in Braavos. Don't keep in touch.
Bloodraven's the man. But remember it was Daemon Blackfyre's rebellion against Daeron Targaryen.
Yes, I know, but Bloodraven was the hero on the Targaryen side. Daeron is supposed to be very bookish.
Ya, Daeron was, and that's sorta the big thing, right -that's what makes the choice so hard. Daemon gets so many supporters because he's actually a warrior, he has the sword, etc.
Daeron was actually a pretty good king iirc, just not in a traditionally Targ-like way.
He was a drunk, but he ended up being a successful ruler.
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Bloodraven was A hero on the Targaryen side, but let us not forget Baelor Breakspear and his brother Maekar.
Unless I am the head of a major house I probably don't have much choice. But assuming I could, I'd choose Bloodraven from fear. Even though I think he is Fucking awesome too he is also a scary motherfucker if you cross him.
Can someone give me a reader on this aspect of the story? Or let me know exactly where in the main series these plot elements are outlined? I understand that some of it is fleshed out in the Dunk & Egg series...
The general arguments for Daemon was basically that Daeron was a scholar-type and they wanted a warrior-type. Red Dragon all the way.
I would be a poor peasant just trying to live my life, so I wouldn't care very much.
Bloodraven must have been a naughty boy somewhere along the line. He was sent to the Black Cells and ended up on the Wall.
Id still choose his side though. First class Archer, sourcerer, warg, greenseer.
Was he? I thought that he was locked away mainly for political reasons--Spoilers Dunk & Egg.
Bloodraven did have a pretty sinister reputation, but that could be partly due to prejudice against albinos and bastards.
Well he really does have magic powers and used them to spy on people, so the reputation wasn't exactly unearned
Daemon. Bloodraven is creepy.
Daemon Blackfyre is the only King; also I may be biased.
Black Dragon baby, he was given the sword!
Follow the Sword.
depends on where i lay within the political map
The side that won, obviously.
Daeron was seen as weak. Daemon's claim to the throne came from the facts that his father not only legitimized him and his brothers (and sisters?) but also that he gave him the family sword "Blackfyre" which was interpreted as a confirmation of the rumor that Aegon IV suspected Daeron was not actually his son, and intended to pass the throne to Daemon.
Considering the presumed weakness of Daeron, the rumors, and the gift given to Daemon it'd be easy to come to the conclusion that the black dragon is the better choice. Aegon V, however, quotes his namesake, saying something along the lines of "the sword was not the kingdom."
I think I'd have to stick with the Red Dragon during the first Blackfyre rebellion.
EDIT for sentence structure. Also, I'd have probably sided with the Crown out of fear for Bloodraven and his "thousand eyes, and one." That seems to have been the general consensus to me, even amongst those who sided with the Blackfyres.
During the brief second Blackfyre uprising, I'd have almost certainly not have wasted my time.
Is most of this history held in the Dunk & Egg books? I've skimmed some of the Targaryen history.. but not this much.
It's discussed a lot in the D&E series. I highly recommend them if you haven't read them yet.
I highly, highly recommend them. Is it a crime to say that I'm actually looking forward to the fourth installment of D&E more than tWoW?
I am too. I love dunk.
Seriously, I highly, highly, highly recommend the stories.
I think Daemon would have left a better legacy than Daeron.
That's not to say I'm ignorant of Daeron's (Marrying Daenerys to a prince of Dorne and creating the watergardens/etc)
Also, Daemon was apparently the best sword who ever lived (fought like the warrior himself).
I don't know about that. In times of war, swordsmanship matters. But in times of peace, the great warriors rarely prove to be good rulers. Take Robert, for example. Great warrior, won the throne and then... let the kingdom slip from him because he couldn't be bothered with small problems like "counting coppers" and such.
The kingdom never really 'slipped' from him, did it?
Cersei was the problem since day one, Varys told Ned that he had done everything in his power to keep Robert alive throughout the years and protect him from his enemies.
In the end, nobody could save Robert from himself and while he left the coffers empty -- when he died it wasn't like the kingdom was hurting for gold or not paying their debts (The crown just borrowed gold from the lannisters/etc).
Daemon Blackfyre was said to be charming, intelligent and the sort of man that won friends easily. Think of Daemon as a sort of 'mega' Jaime Lannister.
Um, yes it was. Cersei's decision to solve the crown's financial crunch by just not paying Braavos may have been dazzlingly moronic, but it was a dazzlingly moronic response to a real problem that the kingdom was facing.
the kingdom did slip from him because he sold it to the lannisters
Yes but Bloodraven even before becoming a tree was like a mix of Varys (spies), Littlefinger (cunning), Tywin (ruthlessness) and Crow's Eye (pet sorcerers). It's hard to go up against someone like that.