Former Tory minister James Brokenshire dies aged 53 | Conservatives
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theguardian.comPosted Oct 8, 2021, 10:50 AM UTC
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theguardian.comShit. Not a nice way to go, poor bastard.
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Very sorry to hear this and my thoughts are with his family.
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RIP, cancer is the absolute worst. Only 53 as well
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My local MP - he was a lot better than Derek Conway before him and probably a lot better than whoever the Tories select to succeed him.
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One of the best NI sec's in recent times.
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May he rest in peaceš
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Awful news
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Creates a by-election in a very safe Tory seat. I imagine we may well fall to 3rd place behind the Lib Dems.
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That seems unlikely even in 2010 we were 4 points ahead of the Lib Dems and the last election we were 15 points ahead.
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Yeah but it can see a moderate-to-large swing from the Tories to LD happening and some of our votes switching LD or Green.
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You're forgetting both how poor the current leadership is, and that the electorate contains few fools. Any chance to remove a Tory MP helps.
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How can you seriously say that? Starmer is significantly less hated than Jeremy.
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Getting people to vote for you requires more than just not being hated - you need people to either like you or at least think you stand up for their interests. Starmer had been very unsuccessful at this and he's had plenty of time. You don't win elections by being forgettable.
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Yes. Tories think he's great.
It's not a compliment.
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Sure but this isn't the sorta seat the Lib Dems do well in, they lost their deposit in 2017 and we are still massively ahead of them. In Bexley and Old Sidcup the best chance of it not being a Tory hold is a Labour gain.
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I'd love you to be right. Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But we've just had conference, and it was spectacularly mismanaged. It really wasn't a focus on getting elected. That's going to be pretty fresh in people's minds.
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Do you think the seat would actually be contested? Isn't convention that the incumbent party runs unopposed?
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I think that was only Jo Cox because she was the victim of a politically motivated murder.
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Yep. The other parties wouldn't stand because they didn't want political violence to change the make-up parliament. Thus one will be contested because this was just a tragic event. The Tories will win by miles regardless.
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No it isn't. The most recent seat to be run unopposed was Batley and Spen in 2016 following Jo Cox's murder at the hands of a far right lunatic.
Even that wasn't convention as the last MP to be murdered was Ian Gow who was murdered at the hands of the IRA in 1990 and not only was that by-election in Eastbourne contested it was a Lib Dem gain from the Conservatives
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Yeah, that was only for something in a tragic, politically-motivated circumstance like Jo Cox. Chesham and Amersham was held because of the death of their sitting MP and that resulted in a gain for the Lib Dems.
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One less Tory to deal with. Though tbf he didn't seem as shit as the rest of them.
Edit: oh I'm sorry, should I be more respectful to the guy whose party presided over the suicides of thousands due to PIP and DWP fuckery? Sure, I'm being uncivil gloating over one death, but they're civil and deserve civility despite being a nasty party of murderers?
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The hell is wrong with you?
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Read the edit before you clutch your pearls.
I'll feel sorry for dead tories when they act like fucking human beings.
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I replied after you had edited it, you strange man. Get a grip of yourself before you commit an act of terrorism.
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No you didn't lmao. Nice attempt at gaslighting.
Edit: turns out they did. Somewhat telling that this is one of the best objections they could raise though, instead of responding to the edit itself.
Get a grip of yourself before you commit an act of terrorism.
Where will the pearl clutching end? Seriously though does no-one else consider the implication that because I'm celebrating the death of a Tory that I'm gonna go bomb somewhere or stab someone just a smidge hyperbolic?
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Not wishing or celebrating ill health or worse for others is a value that underpins Labour supporters leniances towards the left, and is held by people that class themselves as progressive, or against the Tories. Its a value that informs stances against the death penalty, desires for criminals to be rehabilitated rather than tormented when locked up, and its a value that rejects an eye for an eye.
People that dont like your comment arent bothered that its 'uncivil', more they feel there is a base misalignment of fundamental values between you and them. Its just an unpleasant way to think, and it doesn't signify that you care more or have more empathy. Personal circumstances like say a loss of a loved one may make one have a blood lust for revenge, or would eradicate empathy for certain people, and while that's understandable and tragic, its still an incompatibility with a lot of progressive folks core beliefs.
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Not wishing or celebrating ill health or worse for others is a value that underpins Labour supporters leniances towards the left, and is held by people that class themselves as progressive, or against the Tories. Its a value that informs stances against the death penalty, desires for criminals to be rehabilitated rather than tormented when locked up, and its a value that rejects an eye for an eye.
Firstly I'm not a party member. Secondly I agree with you insofar as you don't end up treating people far better than they treat you; that's how you end up exploited. This guy I would have sympathy for, but he joined and supported a party that's causes far more suffering than this.
It's not an eye for an eye it's the golden rule, treat others as they would treat you.
People that dont like your comment arent bothered that its 'uncivil'
Then why are people calling for civility if it's not the lack of civility?
Its just an unpleasant way to think, and it doesn't signify that you care more or have more empathy.
I never claimed it did.
Personal circumstances like say a loss of a loved one may make one have a blood lust for revenge, or would eradicate empathy for certain people, and while that's understandable and tragic, its still an incompatibility with a lot of progressive folks core beliefs.
You're just making shit up; I don't have bloodlust because I'm refusing to be civil about the death of a Tory. I'm not a progressive either, that term is near meaningless.
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You've got it wrong mate.
The golden rule is treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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That's a stupid way to get yourself taken advantage of
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'if it's not the lack of civility?'
I dont think people would class what you said as being uncivil. A lack of civility is a behaviour thing, calling someone names, acting like a dick to someone. You're trivialising someone's death. That's not your behaviour to someone being impolite or rude, its uglier imo.
'You're just making shit up'
I wasnt saying you had a bloodlust, I was giving examples of where it is kind of understandable to wish illness or celebrate death. There are circumstances where a 'good riddance' type response to death can be totally understandable, but this clashes with how a lot of us are set up at a baseline, pre politics level, where it doesn't really matter whether they were good/bad etc. No-one's bad behaviour will impact how I'm capable of viewing others.
'death of a Tory'
Death of a person. I really hope you're on the young side, because its basically fine to have these views when you are, (I now cringe at how I behaved the day Thatcher died, but I still lacked facial hair then so all is a forgiven, and sadly a distant memory).
You clearly hate the Tories, so you cant be all that bad, and I'm in no position to be determining who is and isnt 'moral'. But I'd personally knock this darker attitude on its head, and i dont mean that in a tone police like way - be as angry as you gotta be, but an immovable empathy for others in spite of the things they do is a solid quality to have, its not a weakness, it literally makes us better than them.
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You raise a lot of good points, but I gotta disagree with your final summation. I don't think it makes us better than then, because normalising them as human detracts from the view of them as being the nasty party that they are.
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Awful take.
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If al you can do is complain about a party on learning that someone has died, does that make you āscumā?
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A lesson in how to deal with death opposition politians:
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Get help
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Course blue Labour cares
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Thank you, Labour is going limp under centrists, glad I got out
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One person a tragedy, a million a statistic and all that...
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Take your Stalin quotes elsewhere crank.
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Look, kid, Stalin was a psychopathic monster but on that quote, he was into how people react differently to singulars and collective tragedies, or better said, tragedies with concrete faces or sea of faceless tragedies.
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Really donāt think Stalin should be mentioned anyway to be honest comrade, but keep bringing it up. Like I said crank.
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Fuck cancer. I can only imagine the pain he had. Be grateful for all the healthcare and staff we rage for granted.