As a Venezuelan that had to leave his country, family and friends behind back in 2018, ignorants and miss informed comments like that really hurts. If you are not aware of the situation or are a Venezuelan please don’t speak on our country, specially if you’re going to say something like that, peace and love.
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There are a lot of leftists outside of Venezuela who hold Chavez and Maduro in a good light since their party’s got the socialist label on it. Certainly many of Venezuela’s problems can be traced back to US interference, but it is also foolish to dismiss Chavez and Maduro’s wrongdoing. I’d like to hear Hasan’s expanded opinion on Venezuela—he’s capable of nuanced takes (like with what he said about China in this episode) which I like about him even if I don’t always agree with him.
Where are these leftists outside of Vzla who see Chavez and Maduro in a good light? Every other venezuelan I've met would disagree
I think they meant more the non-Venezuelans outside of Venezuela
Who puts maduro in a good light? I’ve never heard that.
No idea, I honestly don't know much about this issue - just interpreting what oc said for the first commenter.
I’m a socialist whose in a lot of leftist circles and have in fact heard people do this. They often say any and all criticism of him is born from CIA propaganda and that he’s just anti western imperialism and a good guy at the end of the day. Blame most of the problems they have in Venezuela on American embargo’s.
I may go further. Where are the leftist under a good light? Socialism is killing people, countries and economies since the beginning of it.
Plenty of socialist democracies doing very well socially and economically around the world!
Like which?
I’m a leftist socialist who is disgusted by both Chavez and Maduro. My idea of socialism is closer to the Scandinavian model, and perhaps even further left than that. Hasan’s comments are reminding me of why I unsubscribed to The Young Turks a long time ago.
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It was genuinely surprising to hear him say that since he is usually educated on situations like what is going on in Venezuela :/ i hope he does clarify
A lot of aspects of Venezuelan society improved during the Chavez regime, specifically the economy. But I don’t think this success translated into long term stability and economic diversity. The fact that things went to shit around 2013 kind of shows how much of Chavez’s rule was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Not to mention Chavez’s penchant for chipping away at (and in some cases completely shattering) Venezuela’s democratic institutions.
I’m not going to tell you that Venezuela would be better off without Chavez right now, because I have no way to substantiate that hypothetical. But it’s pretty clear that Chavez’s rise to power has done as much harm as it’s done good.
I haven’t watched leftovers yet, but I’m curious to see what exactly Hasan said. Thanks for the heads up.
I haven't watched it yet buy I'm so surprised at that comment... Chávez was a dictator, period. He could provide 'stability' while he had control of the country and its resources. He hated any kind of opposition and he was the beggining of the crisis Venezuela is having right now... I'm just speechless at the idea of Hasan making an ignorant comment like that.
Honestly, he’s a really good lesson on how demagogues use their populist appeal to exploit democratic levers so severely, they are able to effectively weaken checks and balances in government. The economic disaster that Maduro inherited from Chavez and his lack of charisma makes him a much more obvious and less effective dictator.
I agree with you. I'm just shocked to be honest at someone having that kind of take... Speechless, I need to check the episode out to have a better grasp at Hasan's words.
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Chávez and maduro (the current president) are the reason my country is ruined, all the corruption, dictatorship and brainwashing is the consequence of millions of Venezuelans leaving the country, we are literally around the world, leaving our country and loved ones behind with no hopes for returning.
I’m Chilean-American bro, i feel you (although my Chilean family’s suffering was caused by American anti-communist intervention).
I hope Hasan elaborates on what he said so it doesn’t seem as damning as you phrased it. Either way, it’s pretty disappointing if true.
Thanks for understanding dude, I appreciate it.
Im chilena its so nice to see Latin american h3 fans
America also plays a massive role in fucking over your country, with peace and love.
The CIA hacked Venezuela's currency printer, starting in 2000. This is why Venezuela's money supply increased 100% every year from 2000-2005. By 2017, the money supply had increased by 1,000,000%
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/VENEZUELA-ECONOMY/010040800HY/index.html
A lot of aspects of Venezuelan society improved during the Chavez regime, specifically the economy.
Yes, food shortages and skyrocketing inflation are symptoms of an improved economy. This was happening in 2010, so of course Chavez gets credit for the improvement. https://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-food-idAFN1617403620100618
That comment didn’t pass the smell test for me either.
Haven’t watched Leftovers yet, but I’m sad to see that Hassan said something so ignorant. As a Colombian that is close with so many Venezuelan’s, I know how devastating Chávez has been to Venezuela. My best friend immigrated to Canada from there and hasn’t seen his family in six years.
He literally didn't say this though, all he said was a big communist attempts in foreign countries are always foiled by capitalist (american) intervention. He never said chavez was good.
Edit: if someone can link me the time stamp where hasan said this I'll retract what I said, I've listened twice now and I either missed it twice (possible) or it isn't there.
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Yeah. My country is fucked and it started with Chavez laying the red carpet for even more corruption than ever before. No peace and love for those hijoeputas!
Haven’t watched Leftovers yet, but I’m sad to see that Hassan said something so ignorant.
OP is misconstruing a brief remark Hasan made in passing that he already clarified on his stream. He meant it in a specific context, not in general.
Why are you taking this random post at face value without even checking the podcast to see if it's true and reacting like if it was and going on to talk about you and your story? Are you that desperate to talk about yourself that you don't even care to check for things before blindly believing them as long as it gives you an opportunity to talk about yourself when nobody asked?
I think it’s a lot more nuanced than both y’all and Hasan are giving it. Yes Chávez was not good but also America does fuck with Venezuelan politics and has historically interfered with Latin American politics in general.
you know both things can be true right
That’s literally what I’m saying
They were talking about successful socialist countries in an economic sense and Hasan said "Chavez was good, Maduro not great and also brutal". So if we want to try to interpret what this vague thing meant, he probably was talking in a general economic sense that Chavez was good, which Wikipedia somewhat agrees.
If you're trying to get mad because the words "good" and "Chavez" were uttered in the same sentence, if you go back and listen Hasan called him corrupt and brutal in that same sentence so you're outrage seems very much needless to me.
I think you're blowing out of proportion something said in passing and very vaguely because you saw this as an opportunity to talk about yourself and grandstand.
Isn't surprising to see knee-jerk reactions when doing takes like these, but they ought to think Hasan has talked about shit like this for a big part of his life, remember Leftovers is a 2 hour-max podcast-style show so they don't get to get into the nitty gritty, but if you view Hasan's stream he'll condemn any past or present leader for wrong decisions, hence why he said 'but brutal' cause honestly that isn't lost on anybody at this rate.
I doubt Hasan's point is reinstating 'colectivos' or crushing dissidents.
There are people here thinking this actually means Hasan literally meant "Chavez = Good". And then stop listening. He then listed Maduro and said both were "brutal, as well". It's just lost on people like these who act on shock value and reactionary shit.
I will skip this show enitrely. I watched 2 episodes and it really isn't up my alley. Hasan seems like an OK guy and all, but this show is hard to watch. Hard skip for me.
I'm not a huge fan of Hasan, so I've skipped leftovers and I think i'll keep on skipping them. Its a bummer since I really enjoy the other H3 podcasts but I still have 2 or 3 others I can tune into each week.
100%.
Did he actually say that? Fucking weirdo
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His take was basically Chavez was good, Maduro was not, but without intervention venezuela would be in a way better place. It was such a small moment in the show but some of you are jumping on it and trying to make it more than what it is. His take on venezuela is definitly more nuanced than that but some of you are like "cancel the show!" The rest of the stream was a TON of really interesting back and forth between capitalist liberal Ethan and Marxist socdem hasan.
Wait till you hear what hasan said about Dan Crenshaw or 9/11! It's not even that spicy of a take but if you don't like it Ethan has like 3 other broadcasts you're free to watch.
Coño que fino ver venezolanos foot soldiers 😂😂, los amo a todos hermanos ojalá podamos volver. Yo también me fui en el 2018 y toda nuestra familia esta separada
que tristesa. Mi corazon esta contigo y con todos los footsoldiers venezolanos. Mi familia esta en bogota y si no pudia ver a mis abuelos, ni hablar 😢. Que dios les bendigan.
I understand where you are coming from. My aunt and uncles and small cousins had to leave everything behind and start from scratch again. It was devastating to our family. Its easy to say things as “better” without fully understanding the circumstances people face under these dictatorships. Many self proclaimed communists have never even visited a communist country, let alone lived in one. Its nice to see “leftist” people on social media especially with the flurry that is right winged social media however, at the end of the day we still have to log off and actually work harder than they do to get a fraction if their income.
They are still privileged people who grew up in privileged conditions talking about the underprivileged. If they really cared they should start a non profit and put their money where their mouth is.
Its still entertaining just how the fox news guy is enterianing to radical right winged ppl, but at the end of the say its two rich guys talking shit anout other rich guys who think differently than them.
To make real differences you have to put your time into social needs in your community. I work for a non profit so i feel i do some of my part there, nothing will change by watching guys on stream or being the guys streaming.
Im kind of over grifters, on either side
I’m so happy someone said something I thought all the Hasan lovers would downvote anyone saying this.
Well there is a lot of his fans defending him (which was pretty expected) saying who cares, who cares about venezuela etc… and I think he just addressed it on a twitch live recently saying also that nobody cares. The whole point of this was to bring awareness of the reality of Venezuela after his ignorant comment, he talks a lot about COVID misinformation but here he is spreading misinformation about our country.
I know a lot of Venezuelans so I know about the situation there and you’re right.
I made the mistake of pausing the podcast to fast check his take on Venezuela and found a video from 2018 of Hasan with Destiny talking to a Venezuelan.
If you are Venezuelan like me don’t watch it because Hasan will ruin your day.
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As a venezuelan myself as well, I was actually kinda surprised but I think he meant to say good compared to maduro. I’ve been watching his streams since a while back and he has v strong negative opiniones about chavez and his dictatorship..
On another note, que arrecho encontrar otros venezolanos fupa trooper ❤️
I mean yeah obviously Chávez dictatorship is gonna be “better” compared to maduro since ruining a whole country takes years, the ending story for venezuela was still gonna be the same, totally destroyed and millions of us leaving.
De pana jajaja, me enteré que habían varios por lo ocurrido en el episodio de hoy!
Well technically speaking one man was army trained, "well-read", and gained the sympathy of his voters at the start of his regime. Maduro can't say one of those things whatsoever. Does that summarize it to "Chavez was good, Maduro not so much"? Ehhhhh I don't think so, not while presenting yourself as a political commentator.
On another note the Venezuelan exodus has reached over 6 million people, we are all energetically aligned.
Que depingaaa de pana, lo único bueno que trajo este episodio fue darme que cuenta que hay demasiados venezolanos FupaTrooper, ☮️❤️ para todos ustedes.
Venezuelan too! Also upset by the comment. I think most of Internet personalities/streamers doesn’t notice Venezuelans on their communities because we are anywhere but in our country.
Y son lo máximo todos. Me arreche burda pero leerlos me calmo full.