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grdivrag

[VOW] Alchemist's Retrieval

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Alchemist's Retrieval {U}

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Cleave {1}{U} (You may cast this spell for its cleave cost. If you do, remove the words in square brackets.)

Return target nonland permanent [you control] to its owner’s hand.

So, is this the best generalist blue card in the set? At worst it is a Winds of Rebuke / Geistwave without the additional effect, but potentially could be the blue Rite of Flame (with a Mana Crypt in play) or an insane Dockside doubler that spanks you for 1 off an Ad Nauseam.

Thoughts?

Posted Nov 5, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

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jeef16•

I was in a pod with a codie player the other night who used [[suspend]] to protect his codie and potential dockside doubling. This card reminded me of that.

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MTGCardFetcher•

suspend - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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j0hnan0n•

Is codie competitive edh or a particular commander?

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jeef16•

im legitimately impressed you've played cedh this long without running into codie. You are a lucky guy.

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j0hnan0n•

This is true. I live a charmed life.

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DoctorPrisme•

To answer, yes, codie is competitive. The idea is 1cmc spell into profane tutor into bring to light into ad Naus. You usually go for that turn 2, turn 3 if you were very unlucky. It's super fast and consistent, but also a bit all-in and even more dependant of the draw you have on ad Naus since you need to remove codie to be able to play most of your win-cons.

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Daniskunkz•

Oh yeah, you can see the profane command coming from a mile away and sometimes the table just can't cast enough counterspells to put it down.

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ContemplativeOctopus•

1 mana dockside doubler/looper if chain of vapor isn't available, and otherwise par for the course as a bounce removal.

Solid card. Winds of rebuke may still get played over this generally for the mill effect though. Probably tied for 2nd best after chain depending on situation.

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grdivragOP•

Yep, I also like the random gotcha of Winds 🤣 I'll try it out instead of Snap in my grixis list

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Optoger•

I think I'll replace [[Fading Hope]] with it in my [[Niv Miz Parun]].

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MTGCardFetcher•

Fading Hope - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Niv Miz Parun - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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ManufacturerWest1156•

Got a list for him?

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Optoger•

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/5TsQJxQjsUSCZ6rBJbYpbA

No proxies, I just printed my first full proxied Ikra // Kraum Ad Naus list I found somewhere.

I'm trying to get out niv miz as soon as possible and control the board. It works sometimes, others its too slow. Its the worst to cast Niv Miz and have it removed immediately, which is why I'm looking for more options like this to self bounce.

I'm thinking of converting the deck to [[Malcolm]] // [[Tana]] with a [[Magda]] in the 99 to fetch him.

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MTGCardFetcher•

Malcolm - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Tana - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Magda - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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Bobthebanana73•

It MAkEs dOCKsiDe bEtTEr

In all seriousness, though, does this make dockside+lore drakkis+bounce spell loops more viable? Needing 1 less treasure off dockside is super relevant tbh.

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grdivragOP•

I think the biggest issue with Lore Drakis is that in lists where you can easily pull of the combo (grixis/x) it doesn't end the game - "just" gives you infinite mana.

In comparison, I run Barrin in my Kraum/Tevesh list and it's GG after you generate infinite mana because you have the missing piece in the command zone.

Maybe it could be more viable now in Thrasios lists, but it needs the same amount of treasures as Barrin 🤔

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Bobthebanana73•

Honestly fair! I was thinking about trying to jam it back in Jeska Ishai tempo!

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grdivragOP•

Hmmm, could be worth it! If nothing else, Drakkis can be a crappy Eternal Witness on Ishai 😂

But it's only one card, so I could see it work

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Bobthebanana73•

Lmao truth

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BeastOfProphecy•

Super multi-purpose in Orvar. Gonna test this out for sure.

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lysergician•

Orvar loves this for sure

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Ophiuun•

Vadrok card lol

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Bread_it_•

I think its a better winds of rebuke in a naus shell, not quite snap but hits nonland permanents so pretty gas

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Quail-Feather•

For google search results and archival purposes I'm commenting here despite this post being 3 months old.

This card seems great as an additional card to manipulate [[Stasis]]. [[Chain of Vapor]] obviously takes the cake, but this is tied in terms of mana investment to make the same play. Outside of that you get a slightly weaker but easier to cast [[Boomerang]] that's cheaper if you use it defensively.

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MTGCardFetcher•

Stasis - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Chain of Vapor - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Boomerang - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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