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VaderFail

[s]Near Master Protoss Diamond need help in PvP

Hi, I have been playing alot of Masters lately and it fills me with great joy. However, I feel my PvP is the worst match-up by far. Which ever startegy I use I always lose.

-3 stalker push into 4g -3gate robo -2gate/blink/gate -1gate/blink/2gate

Maybe the builds are good but the execution is not, so if you have any tip or match that I should watch where I could mimic a solid build or 2 for the match-up that would be appreciate.

Posted Mar 13, 2012, 4:32 AM UTC

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LobberProtoss•

Post a couple replays would be nice. I'll go over em and give you some tips if you do.

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You don't need the spoiler tag dude.

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RedditCommentAccountGama Bears•

He probably thought it was a hold-over from teamliquid tagging things. [S] for strategy, etc.

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TimidestemuProtoss•

go for phoenix. they are awesome!

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Ozy-deadProtoss•

Replays help.

I'm in similar position, a diamond P with lots of matches against master. My current season pvp record is just below 50% after recent 2x losses.

I personally prefer phoenix-robo. My greediest build is skip zealot and sentry, get very fast stargate, and do fast robo after 2nd gate. I have an option to make it much safer with delayed robo, early 2nd gate, zealot, sentry and some stalkers. I have great success punishing 1-gate robos or stalker spammers, especially if they try to expand early. Build is very micro-intensive, and I lose if I mismicro.

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BaschiTerran•

I want to play around with pheonix openers, but I am not exactly sure what it's meant to look like. Could you provide some replays?

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Ozy-deadProtoss•

Check out Axslav, he uses it a lot. Can share my own, but I'm sure a high level pro will be a better learning source.

Basically, you open 12 gate 2x chrono on nexus, 1x into warpgate. 2nd gas on 18(20). From there, based on scouting info, you may chose greedy build, safe build or very safe build. Midgame goal is to end up with 5x+ phoenixes from 1 stargate, 2-3 immortals and obs from robo, and w/e you can squeeze out of 3x warpgates in between.

Move out asap with your initial 3x phoenixes to gain 100% map presence and full info of what opponent is doing. Assuming you survive to that point, ofcourse. Common responses you can expect from opp:

  • 1-gate robo - go heavy on phoenixes (like spam em), and farm the free sentry and stalker kills. When you have 2-3 immortals, he will likely expand. Time to push out and finish him.

  • stargate - put a 2nd stargate, cut gateway production. Once you get air superiority, cut phoenixes, get robo, obs, TC and DT. I know it sounds like a lot of gas, but it's perfectly viable. Use your obs and phoenixes to snipe his obs, and finish him with DT's. Expand when he expands.

  • Blink stalkers - cut phoenix production, get robo and spam immortals. Can get a greedy expo. Use your obs and phoenixes to keep the skies clear of his obs. W/o obs, blink stalkers will do 0 damage to an immortal wall.

  • 3-gate robo into push. This is 50/50 and all comes down to micro. You will likely have probe advantage if you harass well, but he will have more immortals and gateway stuff than you. Disable immortals and sentries and kill his zealots. If you win zealot-zealot war, you will likely win the game. It's best to engage in the open, because you won't have much ranged dps to take advantage of ramp, and forcefields are a killer.

  • DT - block ramp, kill proxy pylon, and rush for obs. Farm free probe kills, as there will be 0 to no stalkers. Get your own DT's, snipe his obs with phoenixes, win.

  • Any form of early colossi - free win basically.

Best timing to attack is when opponent nexus is finished. You should be sporting some probe kills, have enough immortals to take care of stalkers, and will have a matching (or lower) zealot count. It's good practice to use phoenixes as distracting force to maneuver his stalkers from ramp, or use them to lift sentries while you charge up the ramp. Either way, it's a micro-intensive 1-base play, with options for a fairly smooth transition into 2-base and up.

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BaschiTerran•

Awesome, thanks for the write up, I will look for some games with axslav executing this and see if I can start incorporating it into my play!

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thebroseidonProtoss•

Master's Protoss, 10$/hour Coaching

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