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Datjigga

A very bewildering encounter with an AST.

Sorry for no screenshots since I don't have a Twitter and my very old phone of 8 years old won't download pictures or save paint edits of pictures for some reason.

So, the dungeon was Pharos Sirius (Hard), and the group was Me (MNK), AST, GNB (who didnt speak) and BLM. Greetings were exchanged and a few of them were said they haven't seen this dungeon in so long.

So, battles start and everything is going well, then I notice I have The Spire card on me, and thought "no big deal we're doing big pulls here, and things are hectic". But then I saw The Bole card on me, both cards benefit ranged and magic users more and I'm a simple Monk.

So after the encounter I ask the Ast.

Me: "New to AST?" AST: "Don't talk to me" Me: "What?" Me: "In a bad mood?"

I ask this cuz maybe they had a bad day at work and are a bit sensitive since this happened at like 7:30pm. Then another pack pull and I notice The Ewer and The Bole cards were on me back to back, remember there's a black mage in the group.

Also we wiped on the boss that looks like the mascot for that tire company that you get aetherial mimicry from.

Me: "AST use the purple boarder cards on the ranged or magic users." AST: "... please don't make me block" Me: "but I'm trying to help you be better at the job." AST: "listen.. (my name).. I'm sure you're a nice guy" BLM: "they didn't ask though so it's not a huge deal."

Now I ignore the BLM's statement because if someone doesn't know they are playing the job "not to it's fullest" they won't ever ask for help. And they continue

AST: "But AST doesn't give me redraws, if I can't redraw I'll give the card to whoever I fucking want, okay?" Me: "Wha??" AST: "alright now I know you're trolling" Me: "I'm not though."

Now obviously I'm fucking confused by both the redraw statement and the trolling statement. Con't.

AST: then you're ignorant... I get one redraw now and if I get a ranged card each time I'm gonna use it on you as a melee anyways. Me: But there's a black mage that can use it. AST: Also do the dungeon mechanic

We were speaking to each other mid boss during this but don't wipe or even a death. But after this boss is defeated.

AST: yes I can use one on him, no reason to use both my draws on him. BLM: Well I love you all AST: You might not have played AST in a while. Me: you're not making a whole lot of sense. AST: okay blocked, you're trolling.

Then they left along with everybody else.

Posted Dec 14, 2021, 12:22 PM UTC

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Ennae•

Actually you can only redraw once now, so if the BLM already had a card on him it's only fair that you get the 2nd draw even if it's not for you instead of erasing the existing card on the BLM

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ayjee•

You just wait for the timer on the BLM card to run out and then re card them. Usually there's nothing big boom dps likes more than 30s solid of bigger boom.

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Ennae•

True, but you can't expect people like them whom make a scene for an advice to just wait on a card and be optimal about it =/

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DatjiggaOP•

They didn't have any cards on the black mage though

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Ennae•

Given how they reacted you're probably not the first one to say it to him =/
Those peoples are hopeless

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chairsalone1•

I have built and torn this down 13 times. Not due to new pieces being released, but having the same people. if you just made it on my feed even though I don’t lmao didn’t hurt or anything i’m done I’ve owned it. Luffy is legit.

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[deleted]•

I would call these people mentally ill but I'm mentally ill and I just don't have it in me to be this rude for no reason. They always snap quickly as if it's a regular occurrence too, seemingly unaware that the tiniest change in how they play would prevent the situation forever.

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alphabeta12335•

I wonder if they took the "ranged" part of the "these cards go on ranged dps" as meaning P ranged only?

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I've seen a fair number of ASTs that didn't understand that ranged just means "not melee" for the purposes of their cards.

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ellysion•

Tbh I relate to this, I only understood the purple cards when I watched a guide lol

This AST is a douche though, I think they overreacted over a simple advice. They seem frustrated at the AST changes and seemingly stopped to care (but then again don't play the class I guess???)

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DeSqBlocki•

As an AST raider, I'd like to give my 2 cents about this...

They are correct that stacking the ranged dps card on the same dps is not optimal and therefore would speed up the pull by giving the other dps (you) the ranged card instead; it still buffs you, but not to its maximum potential.

There is a point to be made here that they should just wait out the buff on the ranged dps and card them again, but that's, imho, a time waste. Same reason as above.

I can see both parties being in the right tho, depends on personal preference.

Then again, I haven't raided in the new content with the redraw change yet, so this is theoretical, but I'd stick to either waiting out the buff or balancing out the arcanum types for a full self buff by overwriting, or undrawing

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Jaridavin•

According to OP though, the BLM wasn't getting cards, or at the very least, not getting having a card when the MNK is getting them. So this isn't that kind of case.

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Medievalhorde•

So says OP. I'm very skeptical that he was looking at the other DPSs party bar that closely.

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zachbrownies•

I think it's possible that the AST was only playing cards on the MNK when the BLM already had one, and that OP was mistaken. But it's certain either way that their attitude was awful, so I'm not sure how much benefit of the doubt to give them.

edit: eh, on second thought, i think it's equally plausible that the OP was wrong, the AST was justified, and they were annoyed someone was gonna give them wrong advice when they actually do know how to play the job, and playing the 2nd card was convenient. sorry OP i'm just not sure you were in the right here, unless you can say you're certain the BLM never had a ranged card on them ever.

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lucianaryas•

Never Undraw ever. Take it off your hotbar. The full self buff on you does not even get close to using all of your drawn cards on players.

It now works that you use 1 card on the 1 minute raidbuff window and hold another and build close to 2 stacks and knock out 3 cards during divination. Holding astrodynes to be used in 2 minute windows and using 2 straight after each other around the 6 minute mark.

But NEVER NEVER Undraw a card

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AloeKarma/slap•

There's no reason not to wait out for the buff to fall off on the BLM in that case, it's no waste of time if it's still on CD.

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CAWWW•

There is if the pull is only going to last like 20 seconds. If you run into a big pull with 2 cards its often better to just throw them on both dps anyways instead of spacing it out.

Pack size matters too. You'll (probably) get more damage from the card out of a 3% buff on a melee hitting 10 targets than having the correct card on the next 2 mob pack.

He may also be delaying astrodyne damage on a sizable pack.

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ltbaandYou don't pay my sub•

Maybe you were just considerably outdpsing the BLM?

I've been in parties where I just chuck cards on one person who's actually doing damage irrespective of their role bonus. Technically they'd need to be double the damage of the other person to make it worth it but with the way burst windows work and all that it's impossible to tell in the moment who the best choice is. If one dps is at 7k and the other is at 4k you bet your ass I'll just stack cards on the good one.

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Ok-Professional-1692•

In their defense, the new redraw is horrid. I've cleared TEA on AST so I know my way around the job. I'm level 90 AST as well. I've had to give people the "wrong" cards a lot. Which I never had to do before 6.0. The new 1 redraw thing really sucks. Especially when I get 2 melee in a dungeon.. They shouldn't have been a dick to you though.

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Ronjun•

Yeah, I don't really like the new card system. It worked perfectly fine before, not sure why they changed it

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[deleted]•

It feels so clunky:(((

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inhaledcorn/slap•

I haven't played with the new card system, but, in the ShB system, I would sometimes play a card on the "wrong" person because the right person already had one, and I didn't want to lose cards (or it's the opener and I'm trying to get a fast Divination). From what I know, though, due to hits cards work, it might be more optimal to hold cards for burst phases new since cards have a charge system. Astrodyne is terrible, but it's generally better to try and align it with 60/120s windows.

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cainreaker•

While it's mostly nonsense on their part, high tier ast comes down to padding during the strongest bursts. One key advantage to ACT is knowing that a drg is beating a reaper. Aggro is an okay indication of dmg but not the best. Alot of it comes down to knowing who is doing bursts when (and properly). I've had a blm complain that I was giving a Sam ranged cards instead of them, but the blm was sitting at like 19k and the Sam was 25k so the 1% difference means nothing.

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ShrineKitsune•

As AST main if the card suits my needs (getting the 3 sigils) then I will hold back a card if it doesn't suit the party comp. It gives draw time to cooldown and I can sort of have my pre-endwalker gameplay. But that's just how I play, and I am by no means an expert or even a raider.

I will also play ranged/melee cards on the opposite type of class because I just simply don't have a ranged or a melee to take the cards. I frequently get this with the new reaper drop, and instead of wasting cards by dropping them on myself, I'll give a reaper a bole or an ewer.

As long as they were optimizing their kit, I don't see playing cards on the "wrong" dps as a deal breaker.

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crankysorc•

If you’re referring to astrodome it’s really not worth getting 3 signs though. It’s better overall just to use it on CD, if you happen to get 3 Sigils great but it’s not going to make such a big deal

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ShrineKitsune•

Fair

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poke_my_starfish•

What a little B Y I T C H

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Specific_Bandicoot33•

They should have put one on you and the BLM. That's a loss of dps for the BLM. What a rude AST. Hate people like that.

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