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Ftech

I've finally done it, I hit Mastery Level 3 with the MP-43-1C. Here's how reloading while ADS looks!

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I decided early this wipe that I was going to be a shotgun girl, primarily using the double barrel shotgun, and the revolver shotgun. Once I realized that the revolver shotgun has no mastering at the moment, I decided to pretty much focus the double barrel's mastery. Each pellet that hits counts as 1 point towards mastering, so in total I hit over 1,200 pellets on players and scavs. If you were at the other end of my shotgun (she_they), I'm sorry, but also, can you blame me? This gun is a literal blast. Do I wish it had more attachments? Sure! Do I think it needs more attachments? Hell no! It's economical, the shortened barrel (which only adds about 1.8k roubles to the final price) cuts the size to 4 slots, meaning it can fit into an MBSS or Scav Backpack or similarly sized bag, flechettes are absolutely deadly in that thing and take up the main cost of using the gun. The fact that Fun Mode doesn't fire the two barrels at the exact same moment is somewhat saddening, but it's still manageable at certain ranges and if you're being rushed. Now that I've mastered it, I'm probably going to move onto another gun, maybe the USP or the BDAR, but you can bank on me having a backup shotgun 90% of the time from here on out. It's too much fun not to!

https://reddit.com/link/rr3fkk/video/q1617ksq0g881/player

Posted Dec 29, 2021, 8:37 AM UTC · edited

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Catman933Glock•

I wish level 3 mastery ejected the empty shells on opening like in some games.

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SuperKamiTabbyVSS Vintorez•

Not all shotguns have an ejector. I have an over-under that does not eject when you open it.

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Z4KJ0N3SPB Pistol•

Correct, but everything I'm reading online about this gun is that it does have permanently-sprung ejectors, so the shells should pop out right as you open the breech.

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WokieWankers•

This depends on the model of the shotgun.

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hnxmn•

Thanks for putting in the work so we don't have to lol. Probably ran my first 30 raids with that thing and the MTS-255. Super excited to see what more they give us down the line given how unique they both are relative to everything else

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FtechOP•

Hah! No problem! Honestly I hope that more people are inspired to use the gun, it's so accessible, unique, and fun!

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Gothic_BananaFN 5-7•

The double barrel is my new favorite off-meta gun, I can now play Doom on my loot runs

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FtechOP•

The only thing the scavs fear... Is you.

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Gothic_BananaFN 5-7•

You’ve given me an evil, terrible idea for terrifying Timmies on factory...

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FtechOP•

Frankly, one of my favorite things to do with it is to reload it with menacing intent where they can hear. The gun itself is such a statement.

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LanysTVyl•

I've been enjoying racking the pump actions with ctrl or alt r. I forget.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

How successful is Flechette when used with the MP-43, or other shotguns in general? If I'm within 10 meters, and I aim center mass, what kind of damage am I doing if both shots hit with most pellets landing?

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Gothic_BananaFN 5-7•

The deal with flechette is you trade damage (8x25) for more armor penetration (31), so a double tap might not kill them, but it will shred their armor and massively mess them up. Oh, did I also mention it has the highest bleed chance (+25% light, +25% heavy) of all 12 gauge rounds outside of hollow point slugs?

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FtechOP•

Banana here has the right idea! Magnum is great!... if they're lightly armored. But the more armor they have, the more shells it takes to get through it if you get unlucky spread. The bleed chances also help a ton by requiring immediate attention, even if the person is PK'd. That extra time to reload, reposition, or push is incredibly helpful.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

Gotcha. So if I were in a position where if I miss or my two shots doesn't kill them, I'm dead, what do you think what the best round is for that scenario?

And I will definitely be trying Flechette for guns like the Saiga for sure! Something I can spam 3+ shots safely, Flechette seems like the move.

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Gothic_BananaFN 5-7•

So if I were in a position where if I miss or my two shots doesn't kill them, I'm dead, what do you think what the best round is for that scenario?

Probably AP-20, but that’s harder to get now

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Magnum and limbs.

The barrels will make hitting with slugs harder, especially if you're firing both at once (and they fire 1 at a time even when you're firing both)

That said goose gun flechettes used to be my jam, they destroy armor and then they kill pretty easily once the armor is gone.

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JacuulASh-12•

Until people consistently run class 5/6 gear, an MP-153 with flechettes will tear through people, it has 30 pen, so class 3 and below is paper, and class 4 gets lowered enough in about 1 shot to start penning if you hit most pellets. I finished Evil Watchman for Jaeger just a raid ago running just that while trying to hit safes for flash drives

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RedditAccountTake5•

Use magnum and aim for the legs. If it doesn't kill them they won't be able to chase you unless they premeded so you can run around a corner and reload easy enough.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

Will Magnum one shot more often than not? And in most circumstances, I am backed into a corner, so I wouldn't be able to run away. I need to know what round will give me the highest chance of killing level 3, and *MAYBE* level 4, if possible

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RedditAccountTake5•

I exclusively run magnum with it and I'd say its honestly 50/50 on class 4. I personally aim for necks to get the best spread(hoping for the cheeky head eyes) but if I sneak up on a geared guy I do legs.

The thing with it that makes it so good to me is I'll run maybe a shit rig(scav vest level shit) with 4 or 6 rounds outside my container to reload(and a full stack in the container this is just to minimize loss) with and just pickup whoever's gear I manage to kill. Costs less then 20k per run (less then 10k if you dont bring a shit rig) so I usually buy around 6 DBs at a time and I'll typically get at least 3 survives with a better kit out. So just under 50k in DBs and with crafted magnum its insanely budget i usually wind up with 200-300k in taken gear plus what I loot on my way to extract. It is how I've stayed positive on roubles all wipe. Anytime I'm under 250k Roubles I'm running DBs for a few raids.

Dont bring DBs with high level gear though it's a terrible idea.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

That's exactly what I've been doing. I play Reserve with it, and usually camp a room (if I'm low on loot) (not close to any extracts), but it's usually a one and done thing. Either I shoot my shot, and I put them down, or I miss and am dead. I am on the MP-43 train for sure for budget kits. I go with a MBSS backpack, and nothing else usually. I've been running Magnum, but was wondering if there were better rounds out there for how I'm playing

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HeavyMetalHero•

It depends on the armor, ultimately. The thing with Flechette is, it's near as bad at penning armor as all the buckshot, and it does perform badly at range, as well...it's just that when you hit a high-tier armor with Flechette, dropping a few rounds centre-mass does way more damage to the armor, than any shotgun round. So it's very useful when you can unload a lot of it really fast, because if you're just shooting down a hallway at a guy, as long as he's in your spray you will chew his armor to shit and black his arms and legs, and that alone can just kill him.

It basically performs how you'd expect buckshot to work at close-to-mid range, except instead of armored targets just getting to laugh at you, you destroy their hard-earned class 5 or 6 in as little as two taps centre-mass. By the 3rd or 4th hit they may as well be unarmored, that's the benefit of Flechette, the consistency to kill anybody in a reasonable amount of time.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

Okay sweet. Do you think flechette could rival more meta builds, if using a decent Saiga or MP-153? Do you think the Time to Kill could be decent enough to think about using, or should I just a different gun altogether, with a easier TTK

Having a stroke and couldn't really formulate what I was I'm thinking, but I think you get somewhat what I'm asking

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Hugo_5t1gl1tz•

Fill a power mag with flechette and spam left click. People fucking die

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blackberrygalileoRPK-16•

yepcock

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HideUrPixels•

Previous wipes using a Saiga w/ flech I could compete with people running meta weapons and class 5/6 armor. Killed them and also got clapped myself sometimes.

Biggest thing to think about is you really need to be in CQB to be competitive. Otherwise they could ADS and spray you down mid range while you would probably only black a couple of their limbs. This means you would have to let them come to you or push them while having cover.

The above is based on the enemy knowing you’re there. If you catch someone unaware I’ve killed them with both flech and 8.5mm mostly through head/leg if up close or spraying whole body for the finish at med range.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

Gotcha. So fights like Shoreline Resort, as long as I'm not sniping from one end of the hall to the next, a handful of Flechette spam should dunce people at ease? Usually used the MP-153 before. How's the Saiga recoil? Do I need to modify it, or can I plug and go if I'm spamming?

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HeavyMetalHero•

There's no answer to that question 'cause I have no clue what your subjective parameters are. The way you're talking, it sounds like the answer you want would be, it's not as good as class 6+meta 500k rouble gun, so it's dogshit. But if that's not what you mean, idk what your standards are.

It's a highly effective ammo for shotguns at 1-and-2-tapping close range targets that are soft, but it still will eventually burn through good armors. It's not gonna be a meta beater, or anything. If you're particular about what you use, it's probably not good enough for you, because in my experience only the absolute 1% of gear is "good enough" for people who actually care about that.

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NobodyLovesMeBB•

Pretty much half of my questions are me using the DB as a low kit money run, and the other half is me asking if Flechettes are able to compare to meta guns and ammo.

When I use the DB, I am, in most cases, in a one and done situation. So I was wondering if I'm backed into a corner, but my enemy doesn't know I'm there, what would be the best round for the DB, if I can't hit the face?

And my other question was, How good is flechette? And what are the limitations that I should know before trying to run it? I've never really ran it, with most of my shotgun experience on AP-20's, I don't know how good or bad it is

(sorry for the late response. been sick the last few days)

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TarkovWorksLol•

Reload just looks exactly the same as not zoomed in. Don't really see the use for it

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hnxmn•

Maybe not for the DB, but weapon mastery 3 for any gun that is sighted is a massive advantage.

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TarkovWorksLol•

Why? Reloading zoomed doesn't seem useful to me. Sounds like reloading with a prohibited movement speed.

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hnxmn•

In close range it doesn't matter as much, but for shooting at longer ranges being able to continue to track your target with your scope is a big help.

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TarkovWorksLol•

Yeah I guess thats a good reason

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Mister-Forcefull•

👍🏻

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DM_ME_A_LOVE_LETTER2•

she_they! I almost found myself at the wrong end of your double barrel last night in Factory but I clicked first with my MP-133 lol. I'll keep the 4-slot double barrel for the memories. Gg!

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FtechOP•

Ayyyy!! Good shit! What's yer Tarkov name?

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DM_ME_A_LOVE_LETTER2•

Warhero101!

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FtechOP•

Hell yeah! I think i remember that fight, you got me good!

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aBeaSTWiTHiNMe•

Dang I wish it was better, I'll still bring a DB backup with me though, I just with you could saw it off and use it as a pistol slot.

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passionoftheju•

Wait, you can fire both barrels at the same time. Press B to change fire modes

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TheSm4rtOneASh-12•

Yeah, but the shots are slightly delayed resulting in not hitting at the same place, one goes to the roof depending on distance and where you aim at the body

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Khaark•

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RealLifeDeadpoolMODProbationary Mod•

Please refrain from this type of behavior. Be Excellent to Each Other

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SaigaExpress•

Each pellet counts so is 1 hit from a slug only 1 point?

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FtechOP•

From my experience, yeah, that's how it'd work! Not sure how that would interact with things like fragmentation of pellets though

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RedditAccountTake5•

Fellow DB enjoyer I'm only around 1 and a half mastery! Have you tried bringing in 2 DBs since switching is faster then reloading? I've saved myself at least 3 times because of it.

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FtechOP•

Lmao I've done that a few times now! If I do, I usually bring a long barrel and a shorty, you know, for different range encounters. Also occasionally bring different ammo for the two guns.

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dagger_prometheusSaiga-12•

Had no idea there was a delay with double tap. Now I have something to blame all those mid-range whiffs on. Primo username btw

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TheMrTGamingSaiga-12•

Wait the double tap doesn't fire both simultaneously?

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FtechOP•

Nope, if you take a double barrel to an offline raid and pop off the double tap on a wall, you'll notice a huge leap upward between the two shots.

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TheMrTGamingSaiga-12•

Thats so disappointing! Good grief whats the point then?!

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FtechOP•

At very short ranges it's still good, if you aim low, the first hits legsish and the second hits about thoraxy

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TacopspyKEK•

did your camera recoil get better as you increased mastery? There was a video by someone on this last wipe but no one really talks about this so not sure if its fake news

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FtechOP•

I'm not sure about that! I'll try to look through some clips at some point to see if i notice any differences

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TacopspyKEK•

FYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZ_DI3PIgA&ab_channel=Onepeg i found the video i was talking about

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MerigoldMachine•

This is honestly the perfect budget gun.

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CookieJarvizHK 416A5•

Man. My experience with the double barrel shotgun is that- it's fun as fuck to use. However scavs just EAT the express shells. Also I only have 2 shots... the enemy has more. Sucks to play solo I suppose.

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FtechOP•

If you're using anything other than Magnum or AP-20, you should pretty much always aim for the head and try to get a clear headshot. Single fire mode lets you reload one shell if you only fired one barrel. Take advantage of that if you have the time and you think you might be at a disadvantage if you get pushed. Most scav helmets have a decent chance of soaking up pellets that would otherwise allow for a clean kill. Magnum or Flechette is your best bet. Magnum is pretty easy to craft at level 1 Workstation, and is muuch more effective than the express ones. Once I was able to start crafting Magnum, I stopped using express. Once I got flea I used flechette more often than buck.

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CookieJarvizHK 416A5•

Honestly as someone who is new to the game, or at least, new in the case of I haven't really played tarkov since this update. Last time I played was well before a lot of the good items were added. I don't even have anything in my hideout beisdes Ventilation because it was cheap and just costed roubles! So I don't really have access to the workshop to craft them.

Also I play reaaaally cautiously. idk if that's because I'm solo or what, but I find it makes the game really hard to do a lot of things :P

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UK_Ekkie•

How on earth do you get mastery 3 I'm not sure I'm even 25% to mastery 1 and I'm level 25 😭

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FtechOP•

Determination and a lot of shells. Also I consistently had like 10-20 shorty double barrels at the bottom of my stash pre-filled with flechette and pre-insured. Like I mentioned in a few other comments, mastery is based on number of pellets hit, not from singular shots from the shotgun, so slugs will cause you to gain only one point per hit whereas buckshot or similar multi-pellet shells give you more!

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