What is primary/secondary education like in your country?

I was reading an NY Times article when I stumbled upon a slideshow of Nigeria. One of the pictures was of a school, and on the blackboard were the words "metamorphic, igneous, sedimentary, Earth's crust" and some other basic Earth science vocabulary. I thought to myself, "this is just like what we learn here in the states!"

So how is school in your country? How are classes conducted? What do your textbooks look like?

Posted Apr 16, 2012, 8:38 AM UTC

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scarlettblythe•

Australia varies state by state - like in South Australia, high school starts in Year 8, but on the east coast, it starts in Year 7. Yeah, we find it weird too. We also don't have middle school, you go straight from primary (elementary) school to high school.

High school here is nothing like your movies, though I doubt they're an accurate representation of your high schools either. While there are cliques and social issues, school sports etc are much less of a big deal here, we don't have cheerleading at all (since school sports don't normally have an audience), which means that popularity can be based on lots of different things, depending on the school. When I was at a Special Music public school, for instance, the music kids were king. When I was at a crappy public school in the outer suburbs, the music kids were the bottom of the ladder.

Classes are pretty much the same as anywhere - teachers at the front, students at desks. I know my Indonesian friends were appalled by how we treat our teachers here - Australia is a really casual culture and a lot of us make friends with our teachers, it's not considered nerdy at all. Friendly insults directed at your teachers are considered perfectly acceptable, for instance.

As for textbooks, we barely had them. For science and maths, yeah. Though those textbooks, once again, vary a lot by state. In South Australia, textbooks are often pretty outdated since the school buys them and then you borrow them for the year. But in Victoria, each student is responsible for purchasing their own textbooks from a shop, so they always tend to have the latest editions. But they also have to fork out about $500/semester for books, so it sucks both ways =P

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Choochoocazoo•

In the states schools are pretty much nothing like their movie counterparts, at least where I live. After going through my first semester of high school, I was asking myself, "Where are all the douchey jocks, and the mean girls?" Everyone seems to get along pretty well, and everyone has a group of friends they usually eat with. Teachers are pretty cool, and mostly everyone has a sort of laid back aura to them.

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Stormcloak•

Plus, most of the kids are younger than twenty five.

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3825•
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SpreadsheetOP•

How were your tests structured?

Here, in a large public school, tests are mainly multiple choice in most classes. There are some classes where you need to give a free response to a question. There's no leaving exam that you are required to take after high school.

What did your textbooks look like? My math teacher keeps some old textbooks. I notice that as the publication date became closer to the present day, more and more pictures/white space/random junk (random information, "labs" in between chapters, review at the end of each section, labeling of standards). There was a textbook from the 80s that was all text, with some graphs. Then there was a book from the 90s that had a bit more extra stuff, but not unbearable. Our modern textbook is unbearable. It's huge (1100 pages) and filled with extra stuff (the content hasn't changed at all).

So what's the state of textbooks in Australia?

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scarlettblythe•

Depends very much on the subject, but one super important thing is that we don't have anything like the SATs here. Your entrance into university is dependent on your grades, and ONLY your grades, excepting performing arts courses and medicine. You don't have to do extra curriculurs, or take extra tests. Just get a high ranking at the end of Year 12. Anything above 50 will get you into an arts degree, but others (like medicine) require much higher (the highest is 99.75).

So yeah, no leaving exam, no SATs. Except for maths subjects, most Year 12 exams are based around 3 sections: multiple choice, short answer, and an essay section. So they tend to use this format all through high school, to get you used to it. Maths is usually the same idea, but instead it will be multiple choice, short problems, long problems.

As for textbooks, they're full of pictures and junk. But like I said, we barely use them.

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3825•

HSC?

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scarlettblythe•

Is NSW specific, it's VCE in victoria, SACE in south australia. I tired to give details that were as close to nation-wide as I could get them, but there are huge differences between state systems, so correct anything that doesn't apply to your state =)

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elsjaako•

Netherlands: Most people start at 4, although school is only compulsory from 5. The first two years are about learning to get along in the group. I think I knew how to write my name, but only in the third year did we really structurally learn how to read and write. I think children that are this old really want to learn to read and write.

In primary school we learned basic math, some English, very basic computer usage, and we had music lessons. In the last year of primary school, the eight, we did a musical that all the parents came and watched. Not all schools do this, but in my experience most do.

We had all lessons except for sport and music in the same classroom, and we had fixed seating for the whole year. In our desk there was a space, that's where we kept our pens, paper, workbooks etc. The school provided all of these. I think there were still holes in the desk for inkwells, but we never used them. We didn't have any homework, and there was never anything we had to carry back and fourth between home and school. Many people lived close enough to school to go back and have lunch with my mother and sister.

Near the end of primary school I moved to the US for a few years, and I can say with confidence that the level in the Netherlands is way higher. I was a clever kid in the Netherlands, but I was easily the best in the class in the US.

Also in the eight year, you get tested. Depending on the results of your test and/or your teachers opinion, you go to either VMBO (preparatory middle-level vocational education), HAVO (higher general continued education) and VWO (preparatory scientific education). I guess you could generalize and say VMBO trains blue color workers, HAVO trains white collar workers, and VWO trains university students.

One variant of VWO is called Gymnasium, and there you also learn Latin and Ancient Greek

I went to VWO, so that's all I can talk about. Our relationship with the teachers was pretty casual, although it did really depend on the teacher. We didn't have fixed seating. We had some, but not much, homework in secondary school school. Way less than primary school in the states.

One thing that may seem odd is that we didn't have a fixed starting or ending time. You got to school using a bike or public transportation, and there was a roster with subjects. Sometimes there would be a gap in the middle and we would go into town, or to someones nearby house.

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SpreadsheetOP•

Interesting! Especially the part of the difference in homework, and location to school.

If there's no homework, where are the grades from? Is there more emphasize on classwork, tests, activities?

School in the Netherlands seems much more relaxed…

EDIT: how would you rate your education? How much emphasis was placed on it? Here in the US college admissions can be very competitive and there are often people taking many advanced classes that assign homework that keep them up all night… I suppose you've never had this happen, right?

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elsjaako•

To be honest, I'm not sure where the grades in primary school came from. I think tests? I can't really remember any, but that must be it. Tests never really bothered me, so I don't remember them that well.

In secondary school, we did have homework, but the grades were calculated from tests and project reports.

There were not really any advanced courses, as such. You had to take a couple of electives, but they weren't any more advanced than other subjects. People did study hard for the (national) final secondary school exam, but you didn't stay up all night doing homework unless you had been putting it off for a long time.

I just noticed this typo:

Many people lived close enough to school to go back and have lunch with my mother and sister.

In fact, everyone at my school was close enough to have lunch with my mother and sister, but it was usually only me that did.

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CesiaCho•

Where did you go to school in the USA? Education varies a lot - we have some amazing schools, public schools included, and then some really hopeless ones in poorer parts of cities.

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elsjaako•

I went to primary school in speckles, California; I went to middle school at Buena Vista Middle School, Salinas, California. My parents moved to that specific area because these had the reputation for being some of the best schools in the area.

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Siverix•

I'm Lithuanian. Starts when you are 7 years old. We have 12 grades It is mandatory to go to school until you are 16. You get to choose the level of studies at 11th grade.

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Gracky•

Pretty similar to Australia. We have an intermediate school, for years 7-8, then it's onto high school. Most schools are in uniform and you stay at school until year 13, although some can and do leave after year 12. It's pretty good in that with NCEA (National Certificate of Education) you can pick and choose a whole big range of subjects. I have talked to people from Europe, South America and Indonesia and none of them have as wide a range of subjects. For example, along with your standard subjects, there's media studies, hospitality, wood work, tourism, food technology, drama, musical theatre, languages, music etc etc and you pick six, though of course english, maths and science are either mandatory or heavily encouraged. It's great, I enjoy it. We do internals throughout the year, which is basically doing an assignment of some sort, which gives you credits. You can also gain these from end of year exams, needing about 80 to pass. I could go on, but that's all you need to know really.

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Eeko•

Hmm. I could write a novel of it, but I guess there's enough of reports and articles about the Finnish education system online giving better answers of the overall picture than I can. But I'll lurk here to answer any questions about lesser details you guys might have.

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SpreadsheetOP•

To everyone who lives in a country with a college entrance exam/end of high school exam (like Gao Kao, Abitur, etc): how difficult was the exam? How much emphasis was placed on it? Does a high score alone guarantee entrance to a good university? What do you think about this system?

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wakaba•

In the Philippines, at least from where I studied primary up to secondary:

Kindergarten: learned our ABCs, Old McDonald had a farm, little indian boys, and other English nursery rhymes.

Grade 1 (6 years old I think) - taught how to read, especially the NG in Song.. the TH in That and how it's different from Thing.. basic English words.

Re: Science - basic human anatomy.

Re: writing - loops, slants, curves, and other boring pencil tasks

Grade 2 - how to construct sentences in English (saying, "You are beautiful" is an achievement already!)..

Re: Science - learned that dogs are basically wolves.. learned that there are zebras and giraffes, hippopotami, and others..

Grade 3 - More English, but with Tagalog lessons now (official language of the Philippines).

Re: Science - we had to memorize around 100 scientific names of animals, and memorize the multiplication table up to 9x9.

Grade 4 - Sex education..how babies are made, egg cells and sperm cells, the anatomy of a vagina, that soon we will be growing pubes. Also learned a lot about the world history. Basic chemistry. This was the grade where our school introduced Computers..I loved MS Paint! And more English. Had Algebra.

Grade 5 - Moar English. Had basic Physics. Lots of writing in English. Had another Algebra, but I really sucked on it.

Grade 6 - last year of being in "elementary" school. Lots of English lessons, math, science, and world history.

1st Year High School - 3 hours of Algebra thrice a week (it was hell for me). Arts, Music, and Home Economics. Memorized and Learned MS Excel formula. English focused on poems and stories.

2nd Year High School - English focused on greek and roman mythologies. Had more math and history of how the Romans lived. Studied the Philippine History, our heroes, how Spain colonized us, and how Japan raped our women, and how America came to save us. Thanks guys.

3rd Year High School - Lots of writing in English. Studied history, memorized the table of elements, trigonometry, world literature, started programming in Turbo Pascal.

4th Year High School - messed around with databases, lots of English again, had Physics, moarrrr math, programmed again,

So how is school in your country?

It's probably below average.

How are classes conducted?

Classes are from 7am to 5pm. Students only have one classroom throughout the school year, teachers are the ones going to and fro. Unless the subject is Tagalog, everything's spoken in English.

What do your textbooks look like?

Everything's bought for after enrolling. Exercises every chapter's end. Pages usually plays around 200 to 300.

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Buttersnap•

It's been awhile since this was posted, but what the hey.

Canada - varies from province to province.

In Ontario, where I am, you go to Kindergarten when you're 4-5, then to primary school for grades 1-8. I was at the same school from age 4 to age 13. Some schools only offer Kindergarten - Grade 6. We don't generally have "middle school".

High School goes from grades 9 to 12. We used to have "OAC", which was a grade 13, but the provincial gov'ment axed that about 10 years ago. We don't call people "freshmen", "sophomores", etc. We say the grade number. We don't have anything equivalent to the SATs. I think I took two standardized tests in High School - a literacy test in grade 10, and an optional one to get a [DELF] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplôme_d'études_en_langue_française) diploma in Grade 12.

That raises the topic of language. In Ontario (due to a bizarre holdover from the initial formation of Canada in 1867), we have 4 government-funded school systems - English Public, English Catholic, French Public and French Catholic. This is because, when Canada was formed, all the French parts of Canada were Catholic, so we set up two systems - Protestant and Catholic. The protestant system eventually became the public one, while the Catholic board kept theirs religious.

The curriculum at Catholic schools is filtered through Catholic dogma, and it really suffers as a result. Their Sex Ed classes are a joke (My girlfriend, as a 13 year old, was told that if she married a man with a life-threatening STI, like HIV or Hepatitis, having unprotected sex with him was still her duty as a good wife, and that she should just man up.) All of the people I know who've gone through the Catholic system have reported bad experiences. But everyone freaks out when the possibility of revoking funding is mentioned, so it never happens.

You can't get into the French board unless your parents are Francophone, but the English board offers French Immersion - I had at least an hour and a half of French a day from age 4 to 17. When I was younger, about 3/4 of my lessons were in French.

Higher education is pretty much the same as the States (4 year Bachelor's, etc.) , except that we pay only about $4000-$5000 a year in tuition. Also, the quality of our universities is a lot more uniform. An education at Memorial University in Newfoundland is worth roughly the same as an education at U of Toronto, U of British Columbia or McGill.

All of this varies from province to province, though. Quebec only has three years of high school, then two years of CÉGEP, which is like college (and is basically free), then three years of university (which is still only about $2000, the cheapest in the country). Also, I think Ontario is one of the only provinces with publicly funded Catholic schools.

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Buttersnap•

Damn that was way too long.

Woops.

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[deleted]•

Finland:

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Sorry. I'm going back to 4chan now. I'll even downvote myself for this. Runs

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totaldonutMOD•

Please don't do this again. Whilst your answer may be true, this subreddit was created with learning in mind, so answers need to be informative and on-topic. Cheers :)

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