Programmer vs Designer
v.redd.it/09ekox5uw6e81Posted Jan 27, 2022, 8:21 AM UTC
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Sucks when you have to do both
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Man I can't design for shit lol can't imagine doing both
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I agree. Did I use the right styling here? Another sleepless night questioning everything.
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I enjoy doing both. Not when the project is massive, but when it’s something smaller and more manageable. I guess I just like having total control over everything and not having to rely and others.
My day job though, I’m thankful I have others to do all of the DB and C# work.
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Someone doing the C#, and DB stuff! I feel the same way about Angular, CSS, and HMTL!
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When I do both, they look like crap, so I always have to set a meeting with ux guys.
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This is bs, I do both and often coding is the easier part, building a scalable UI design system requires a huge amount of thought and work. Stuff like this just adds to the perception that design is always fun and easy which it really isn't.
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As a designer with frontend dev experience I'm consistently surprised by how weird the devs on my team will approach stuff. Like there's no consistent mental model at all. Which confuses me because I tried doing frontend and while I enjoy aspects of it I knew that I didn't want to get deep into the engineering aspect as my focus. And yet there's always a part of me that thinks: I just couldn't hack it.
So if these devs can do a thing that I couldn't do, how can I do something they can't do?
I guess this is not that weird if you think of these things as specialities. And yet I don't know how that line gets drawn. Development improved my design skills. Good design pattern thinking hells devs writer better code. So where is the overlap and where is there specialization? That's not clear to me.
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If I'd have the imagination I'd ditch FE and just design all day
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Check out an ebook called refactoring UI, its an awesome resource for becoming better at design written from a perspective a FE dev would really get. Not all designers need to be cranking out great branding and cinema 4d renders, you can also be a UI designer
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any mods here?
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Angular was mentioned in the video so technically its related
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The longer I work, the sicker I get of UI.
Best job of my career was one where I was doing totally backend work.
Only got to do that for a couple years. I need to find something like that again.
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I'm studying front end development rn and you just inspired me to study backend.
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Programming is hard work, Designing is a talent. Go Figure.
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Thats bs. There is hard work involved in designing as well. It’s really not easy design a complex UIs with tons of user requirements. Designing is as much a muscle which can be trained as programming. Sure some might be more talented, but same can be said for programming. Stop the generalization
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I never said you don't need to work hard to acquire the talent of designing.
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I run a startup and do everything )) Starting with the development in Angular, React and Flutter. Ending with marketing, designing UI and FB posts, running Facebook and Google ads campaigns. Everything is fun, but money still not coming ))
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I write PTSD++ lol
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Dude...wait until you graduate to PTSD#!
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PTSD# sucks, PTSD++ is faster and way better and close more to the machine.
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I note "Angular" is in the list of things "Software Engineer" is working on, and oh, look what sub we're on.
As a professional software engineer, more than half my angular work is just futzing with layout, placement, and other fun CSS type issues.
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I can't design even if my life depended on it. But I can implement stuff and functionality.
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It was just a joke people, this guy also made the opposite video shortly after.
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I saw “PTSD” in there!
Also who else her is basically doing both roles, while programming takes 90% efforts, but product / UI is what everyone up top wants.
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Man i swear to god it is a nightmare for me, making the design/UI of my projects.
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I do both and love it. Design work definitely takes longer than programming though due to paralysis of the analysis.
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This is a joke that y’ll seem to be taking as a personal attack.
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Yea but I would never change. I am in the software dev discipline because of the complexity and lots of new stuff to learn today and in 10 years and then in 20 years, as well. There are many easier jobs than software development, so what? What exactly is the point here? That some people work easier jobs? What a news... There are also jobs more difficult than ours. Again, so what? Do what you like and let other people do what they like...
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MAKE THE LOGO BIGGER!!!
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U/savevideo
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Not a big fan of putting other professions down. A lot of other people don't understand why programming some features takes so much time, so they just assume we're slacking. Maybe, just maybe, there's a bit more to designing than to align the logo? idk
Also, if you use that many languages and frameworks you're probably doing something wrong.
If you pause it, there are an average number of languages and frameworks. You missed items like wtf, fml and PTSD.
I saw them, but it's still a lot more languages and frameworks than a single developer should work with. A single developer shouldn't be working with C++, C#, Python, SQL, Java, PHP, Swift, NodeJS, React and Angular (CSS and HTML are a given for the latter two). If the company is paying for a separate designer but not an extra developer to manage that many systems, they're doing something wrong.
Yeah, 9 might be on the high side. A company I once worked for had 4 or so development teams and one team of designers. Each of the developers teams worked on separate sites. So each sprint after the developers were done, the designers would take a few days to sort out the styling. But you still need Full Stack developers in the mix who can diagnose and solve horizontal work items.
If the system is so tightly coupled that you get work items that encompass that many parts and can't be solved by the individual teams, you're probably still doing something wrong. In the worst case, if a backend has to do a breaking change, it should be possible to message other teams using that backend about the change so they can fix their parts individually. Then you have testers that do some integration testing and give a notice to the teams if they find an issue. You shouldn't need to have anyone who actually knows all those languages.
(TBF I usually am slacking)
Shhh 🤫 don't tell them
As an Angular developer with 2 art degrees: The video was hilarious. It obviously plays on stereotypes (for both professions). A designer has to tweak every element like that to figure out what looks best, and not everyone has the talent to know what looks the best plus the patience to bother figuring it out. As simple as it looks, it is really diligent work that is worthy of appreciation.