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r/LegionTD2•
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New player and Fiesta?

I played LTD as a mod for WCIII many years ago and when a friend recommended LTD2 a few of us bought it and have been playing 3-4 games a week in classic 4v4. I almost always play Hybrid but I also love Chaos. I started watching some YouTube videos of people playing Fiesta and I wanted to try it out.

Is Fiesta OP? Or am I just better than my friends/opponents?

I played a game with Pat Rack and Looter split for turn one. Got a snail and leaked 58% or something. Took me until turn 4 to stabilize after that going full value (leaked 8%/ 1 bird t4). After that I was building value pre-sends and then spamming the worker button. By t10 I think I had 14 workers and was 60 over income as my next teammate. I was catching all their leaks and I think we won t15.

I played a fewgames so far as Fiesta and other than one game where we got stomped (I was holding but couldn't catch leaks) I have been just destroying.

What is the downside? Loosing early value from leaked minions? Am I feeding the other team and they aren't good enough to capitalize? What is the major downside to Fiesta?

Just trying to figure out where my playstyle is going to burn me/my friends in future.

Posted Feb 10, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

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Vaeal•

The downside to fiesta is that in order to guarantee that you leak the early waves, you have to build units and/or position then in a way that isn't going to be beneficial past the early game. Also, in doing this your opponents are going to instantly know that you are fiesta and plan accordingly which means they probably wont send unless they send together. Yes, it can sometimes be helpful even if you dont go an obvious fiesta build and leak on 1 to a snail (wildshroom / windhawk / gateguard /etc) but there is an equally likely chance that you dont get the snail on 1 and your mastermind becomes basically dead.

Fiesta is viable. It CAN work. There's a reason few high end players choose it though.

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Calevski•

I think fiesta can be the best start, usually you need a teammate that understands and can play off you going fiesta. Also I’m not an expert, but I don’t think the game is balanced for classic 4v4, so I could see it being the best in that mode for sure. I think they balance more so off of 2v2 ranked mastermind.

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provencfg•

There is only one downside to fiesta if you (and your team) know how to play it. You never gonna get MVP.😁

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shadebedlam•

I think the downside is quite simple if the opponent who is sending to you finds out you have fiesta he should change his playstyle quite a bit. Either to make you leak too much to be worth it (like >70% or something like that) or to do only king upgrades so you don't leak at all or have to calculate very precisely to leak a little. Or he can play mind games with you and do king upgrades for a bit making you think he has given up on sending to you since he knows you have a fiesta and then suddenly he changes sends a lot and you leak the whole wave and get behind. I think technically fiesta is one of the better options but quite risky vs really good opponents.

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realmauer01•

I still wouldn't send King ups. Just save a wave or 2 longer. Also good players don't go for leaks after wave 3 anyway because pro leaks there get harder and harder. To even be beneficial with the 4 income. You play Fiesta so that it doesn't cost you gold prolonging the opening phase for higher worker starts which snowballs into higher workers and income for the entire lobby.

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realmauer01•

Yes you are feeding the enemy and they aren't pushed up enough. Because of the prolonged waves worker will be able to collect one or sometimes even 2 mythium per leaked wave extra. Which makes them replenish themselves much faster(in terms of wave number). Having a worker lead in a Fiesta lobby is the reason the Fiesta player can leak more than the +4 Inc to still be even.

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