Fleeting Inspiration
Posted Feb 16, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC
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Pretty neat. Not too busted in dredge specifically because of the draw discard order, but other graveyard decks would love it.
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I mean the reverse order has been printed to death - [[Careful Study]], [[Frantic Search]]...
But yeah, I think it would be playable in a decent number of decks, without making any existing archetype too busted (Solidarity comeback when?).
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Sure, guess it depends on what format this is for since those aren’t legal in too many places, especially frantic search. The power of seeing an extra card can’t be denied either.
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Yeah this is definitely looking towards higher-powered constructed. I would want it to be playable in Modern/Legacy without being super abusable in Standard/Pioneer.
Which should be the case since those lack the free counterspells and amount of GY payoff.
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Careful Study - (G) (SF) (txt)
Frantic Search - (G) (SF) (txt)
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Nvm I was thinking of the wrong cards - I meant [[Cathartic Reunion]] and similar.
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Almost disgusting with [[Nivmagus Elemental]], no?
Even ignoring all the potential additional cost shenanigans, "Draw three, then discard three" for UU at instant-speed is a really strong effect.
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Yeah but then you'd be running Nivmagus Elemental for basically just that reason. That's three (coloured) mana and two cards invested for a draw three.
I think the cost is fine - see Ideas Unbound, but also
the Thirst cycle - [[Thirst For Knowledge]] for example.
Mine is cheaper, but with more coloured pips, and has a much lower floor.
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Thirst For Knowledge - (G) (SF) (txt)
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Nivmagus Elemental - (G) (SF) (txt)
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So when paying costs that reveal additional information, such as [[Millkin]] and [[Selvala Explorer Returned]], can not be undone when failing to cast a spell. Since you can pay costs in any order, you can choose to draw 3 and fail to pay the mana. The game reverts what it can and you keep the three cards and put this card back into your hand. Rinse and repeat and now you have 0 mana draw as many cards you want.
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Oh interesting, I hadn't considered that!
How would I solve this?
Set cost to {0}, then: "As an additional cost to cast ~, pay {U}{U}, then draw three cards."
Not sure if explicit ordering of costs is even possible.
I could also do "when you cast", but that would lose the key aspect that the effect is truly instantaneous and uninteractable.
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Doing it as a cast trigger is probably the best way
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Actually, I think my card does work as intended! Checking the comprehensive rules:
601.2h The player pays the total cost. First, they pay all costs that don’t involve random elements or moving objects from the library to a public zone, in any order. Then they pay all remaining costs in any order. Partial payments are not allowed. Unpayable costs can’t be paid.
The mana cost would have to be paid before drawing happens, as far as I understand it? I can't find a reference to "public zone" anywhere else, but maybe this means "publicly available information to all players"?
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The hand isn’t a public zone. Public zones include any zones that every player has available information to. So basically battlefield, exile, and graveyard.
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This card is really awsome!
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I think this is a simple but interesting effect and should play pretty well.
I think this is fine for costing, see [[Ideas Unbound]]. It has a significantly higher ceiling, but also a much lower floor.
This could see play in Storm shells as-is, but with some support control decks could do fun stuff with this - instant speed draw is generally pretty powerful, even if this is card disadvantage as base. At base, it digs for a counterspell and fills your GY, but lategame it plays very well with things like [[Spell Pierce]] that would be pretty dead otherwise.
Lastly, I don't think there's a card where the additional cost is purely an upside, but I don't see why there couldn't. This is a cost that can be failed to pay ([[Narset, Parter of Veils]], empty library...) and it doesn't target.
There is also precedent for draw effects that don't use the stack in [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]]...
Costs can be “pure upside”. Slightly different because it’s not part of the casting cost but [[braid of fire]] adds mana as a cost
braid of fire - (G) (SF) (txt)
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Yeah [[Herald of Leshrac]] is even more extreme.
Of note is that Braid wasn't designed to be all upside - back then mana burn was still a thing, so it would hurt you if you didn't spend it all.
Herald of Leshrac - (G) (SF) (txt)
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Ideas Unbound - (G) (SF) (txt)
Spell Pierce - (G) (SF) (txt)
Narset, Parter of Veils - (G) (SF) (txt)
Selvala, Explorer Returned - (G) (SF) (txt)
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