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queerissues

A newcomer appears in Skyrim. How will you convince them to join your side of the Civil War?

Sell your side of the Civil War. Feel free to use propaganda, but be realistic. This newcomer knows nothing of the conflicts in Skyrim. Why should they join the Empire? Why should they assist the Stormcloaks? Which is better for Skyrim? Who is a stronger leader, General Tullius or Ulfric Stormcloak? Don't forget to include the Thalmor and possibly other factions in your argument.

Assume that the race of the newcomer is not an issue, they are simply an indecisive human looking to join one side of the battle.

Please tag your spoilers accordingly.

Posted Apr 28, 2012, 5:10 PM UTC

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[deleted]•

We have sweetrolls.

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tobascodagamaPC•

Take him to the Grey Quarter.

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queerissuesOPPS3•

Very good point. But what if the character has little sympathy for the Dark Elves? An established Altmer in Windhelm comments on this when asked about how she is treated; "It was difficult at first. The Nords of this city are, at best, suspicious of outsiders. But in time I made the right friends and proved myself useful enough that they don't give me trouble anymore. The Dunmer are too proud and naive to see the way things truly are, and so they continue to dwell in that slum."

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dougie1107PC•

Take him to Roggvir's execution. Tell him the Imperials wanted to kill you without even letting you speak. Here they are, doing the same to Roggvir. Show how much Tullius doesn't care about Nord culture and way of life.

Not much of a spoiler so not putting it in spoiler tags.

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queerissuesOPPS3•

Very true. What if this character was a Dark Elf, and didn't sympathize with the Nord way of life that looks upon the Dunmer as second-class citizens?

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dougie1107PC•

Show him that many Stormcloaks aren't 'racist' as it is believed they are. Ralof wants to be your friend regardless of race. Sure, the Dunmer live in an iffy part of Windhelm, but only because the city already has their hands full with a war. A lot of Nords just dislike the Dunmer because they refuse to fight for the Stormcloaks. It isn't the Dunmer's fight and they shouldn't have to take sides, I get that. But you can't really blame the Nords for showing a dislike towards elves when the Aldmeri Dominion barges in and says they can't worship Talos.

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Pmonstah4XBOX•

Show him the Grey Quarter like tobascodagama said.

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AlexxandrosPC•

KIll the Stranger and steal his sweet rolls.

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Essemar•

Hrunnar, my Nord, would tell the newcomer that a people have a right to self determination and that Imperial rule is a violation of that right. The fact there is a rebellion at all simply proves that the Imperial government is a false institution as it fails to govern the Nord people responsibly. Then also layer on some Talos worship hyperbole as a Talos fearing worshipper and some adoration for Ulric as a strong leader, unlike the Imperial lot.

My Imperial however would be quick to point out that the world is bigger than just Skyrim. The conflict in Skyrim is of vital importance to the whole Empire, thats why the Empire is investing so many resources into the war. Thats why the damn Emperor visits. Should Skyrim be able to break away it would provide the impetus to turn dissenters into rebels in other provinces. Should Skyrim fall the Empire would have a string of rebellions across all its provinces which would lead to the inevitable collapse of the Empire. This process would of course be accompanied with war, poverty, starvation and social disruption on a huge scale. It would probably be the most calamitous thing to occur in Tamriel and in all likelyhood lead to global reccession in Tamriel comparable to the collapse of the Roman Empire in our world and the subsequent dark ages. So because of the consequences of a Stormcloak victory Voracious Rex, my Imperial, fights for the Empire.

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queerissuesOPPS3•

Good points! It's hard to like the Imperials at first, with the whole beheading and all, but it can be viewed as more beneficial than the Stormcloaks easily. You seem to favour the Empire more.

Also, I had a character named Diabolus Rex once. I think any name can be made badass by adding Rex to the end.

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Essemar•

Especially Tyrannosaurus :P

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femalenerdishPC•

This is going to contain a few spoilers, though nothing huge.
In the beginning, of course I was turned off by the Imperials. There's nothing that will make you dislike a person more than attempted execution. Throughout the game, however, my opinions changed. The Stormcloaks aren't always so noble. In the peace treaty negotiations, for example, Ulfric was downright irritating. Tullius was open to compromise. Ulfric wanted what he wanted and wouldn't budge. If you did anything in the middle, you were called an Imperial sympathizer. Furthermore, Ulfric treats you like something he is entitled to. He treats you like you're something to be owned.
I see Ulfric's cause, and support his reason. The Empire however, also had reason behind their decisions.
The Empire faced a choice between outlawing Talos worship and facing the wrath of the Thalmor. Survival was a respectable choice. If they had gone to war, the Thalmor would be ruling over all of Tamriel. No one but the Thalmor want that.
Skyrim's real enemy is the Aldmeri Dominion. The Empire is our best bet.

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tehKremlyn•

i think the OP's name says everything there is to know about this thread.

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