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Alex470

Persuader vs. Ebon Hand - Hemo Rogue

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I've scoured the internet looking for opinions on this and haven't seen much of anything except some complaints from 15 years ago about Ebon Hand being too expensive to make.

Shadowpanther.net shows Ebon Hand doing a fair bit better in PvP than Persuader, and I suppose that might come down to the DPS and slightly higher top end, but is it actually that much better than Persuader which has 1% crit and hit?

I'd expect both of them to be neck and neck, frankly, with Persuader maybe barely inching out over EH.

Anyone have any experience with the two maces or opinions?

Posted Mar 1, 2022, 7:43 PM UTC

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trashzillaz•

Ebon hand is better by a longshot and it's not close. Even in PVP, a huge amount of hemo rogue damage is white, and this thing hits harder and faster. To boot, it has a shadow bolt proc that is equivalent to an extra swing's worth of damage. Don't overthink this one.

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BigPimpLunchBox•

That website appears to quantify how much better it is. I'm not familiar with Rogue itemization but I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for here. It seems someone has crunched the numbers already and published it on that website - this allows you to easily compare performance of two weapons.

AEP for Ebon Hand = 335

AEP for Persuader = 310

Ebon Hand wins by +25, which is ~7.5%

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Alex470OP:alliance::warlock: •

It seems someone has crunched the numbers already and published it on that website

Right, that's what I'm addressing. Trouble is, the top end is only a few points difference between the two, and the one with lower top end also has crit and hit on it.

So, I'm wondering if anyone else has any experience with either or any thoughts, independent of a guy running a sim.

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BigPimpLunchBox•

It sounds like you're asking for people's anecdotal evidence and experience instead of relying on the data. All this because you "feel" like the difference should be smaller based on the stats? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but good luck...

Probably why no one has responded other than me and this post is sitting at 0 points. You have the answer right in front of you.

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Alex470OP:alliance::warlock: •

You're absolutely right, I am, because simulations aren't everything.

Crusader is the go-to for daggers, and you'll see this in simulations across the board. But there's combat daggers and PvP daggers. Crusader isn't going to be proc'd prior to your opener unless you're timing it with, presumably, a thistle tea and vanish. It's even less useful because your fights in PvP are likely going to be significantly shorter, or at the very least, more dynamic than a rinse and repeat PvE encounter. You're not going to see Superior Striking for +5 to wep on any guide anywhere.

Do people feel it's worth the cost difference? Would you take both despite Persuader being locked to MH only? What about hit cap or other gear requirements? Opinions on crit as hemo spec compared to daggers? How much is stamina potentially weighing here?

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Giotto•

Ebon hand is better despite being faster. It's more damage for your hemos. You don't need much hit in PvP, really just want 5%. What you do want is Stam and Ebon hand has some.

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