Lillith, please do something about resource costs soon
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Posted Mar 20, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC
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People saying to play "better". Have you ever targeted a march which wasn't actually there and ended up walking into the enemy? Then it lags and you can't get back? Yeah it's not that easy.
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Play zoomed out. Literally will fix everything. To where the marches are dots. You can thank me later.
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I use dot mode. The dots aren't there sometimes
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Then it is your internet. The dots are ALWAYS where they are the troops are - and that's me fighting in Imperium level fights, with tons of troops.
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My Internet is fine 🤣 loads of players had thus issue I our kvk and I have seen streamers have the same thing.
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Maybe fix the game instead of being forced to do something that violates the TOS?
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It’s not broken - I know plenty of purely f2p people who are top 20 contributors in my kvks who farm all their stuff and these are people who have jobs and lives and real life commitments that they manage without issue or complaint.
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No, it is definitely broken.
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Compelling argument - definitely changed the minds of your readers. I can tell I’m debating with a very intelligent and educated redditor here.
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It's also against Lilith's terms of service. Just because they don't catch and/or ban you doesn't mean you didn't break the rules.
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Is a rule that’s not enforced really a rule? I’ve got super vip (meaning I don’t have the what’s app customer service…I have the Facebook account access which only about 50 people in the entire game have) and I flat out told the Lilith representative I was xferring a large sum of rss (over 12 billion) and asked if I would be banned and they said no not at all lol.
I’d also like to point out that the OP is saying make rss cheaper or he’s selling his account (which is also breaking the rules by the way) so you’re actively arguing against my idea of “breaking the rules” instead of the OPs alternative of also “breaking the rules” which is silly.
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i get those weekly invites to a vip chat on facebook also. is that different than being invited to whatsapp vip?
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The one I’m talking about has around 50 people in it including baba. I don’t think it’s the same thing you’re talking about. Pretty sure it’s only for people that have spent mid-upper six figures on the game or more as every account I’ve looked at seems to belong to very wealthy people.
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F2p don’t buy from rss sellers…….also easy way to get banded. Koreans on the other hand would buy without a second thought loooooool
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I was just talking to my roommate about this. We moved kne of our accounts to a server that several weeks later went into KvK. I used all my farmed rss and a ton of tiles in a day and currently I was just on farmer mode till Kingsland opens.
Told him I would happily pay like $10/month for one of my farms to use a legal farm bot. Happily and without reservation.
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Buying resource bots is the only viable thing I can think of. Thanks for the tip bro
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I would if it wouldn't cost me my account but if Lillith would let me lease one that they allow, I would in a heart beat.
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You can run it separate from your account. And they don't ban you for it. I have a mate with an entire alliance of bots and it has his name on it lol
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You don't have my luck... I eould run it and have FCA investigating me and get sued by some random Lillith employ for taking money away from them or something plus getting banned.
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What marches are you using? How many are you using? What is your equipment like? What is your VIP like? What is your crystal tech like?
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Gyuan/leo Alex/CJ Nevsky/Saladin Harald/Martel (or flipped) YSG/Medmed. I'm have another cav set and I'm making a new pairing, maybe XY/Nevsky and Saladin/Mina.
I already know that my marches are squishy. But they outperform with damage and we need max output to fight a super strong high B seed kingdoms as a mid C seed. And we won, so proof is in the pudding. Our leaders are the best players I've ever seen knowledge wise and they know it works.
My gear is decent. 2 full legendary sets, 1 mixed with purples and 3 others are full talent Epics. I am working on a legendary archer set atm.
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Crystal tech, I bought all the pop up bundles and used them on combat tech early while whales were committed to rally tech or eco tech. Because later on, they will have max tech and I would be less effective.
I understand I play in a resources intensive way. But fielding maximum damage to overwhelm the enemy back to their base gives your kd great trades and wins kvk. I play in a way to win kvk because that's the aim of the game. The problem is that doing so, you can no longer participate. We could play slow and use less resources, but we would lose so we're not gonna play like that. I hope you understand what I'm saying.
It's poor game design which is why I am attempting help people see. If it wasn't, I wouldn't even post this because there is nothing you can do.
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Guan/Leo, Charles/Harald and Nevsky/Saladin aren't too squishy. Alex/CJ and YSG/Mehmed are incredibly squishy.
Yeah you do play a very resource intensive way and they way to resolve this is to drop a march or two. If you drop one it should be YSG/Mehmed, yes the have a really high damage output and nice AOE but even with both of their relics, they still don't have enough defence or health to be their own spot on the field. If you drop 2 marches then the obvious ones are YSG/Mehmed and Alex/CJ. I would run Guan/Leo, Nevsky/Saladin and Harald/Alex or Alex/Harald, Alex/Harald provides more raw normal damage but having Harald primary you can fire off his skills a lot quicker. I would stick to those 3 marches until you get a better 4th march that isnt so squishy, possibly a Nebu/YSG, it is still a bit squishy but huge AOE and skill damage, that is if you are heart set on running more than 3 marches. You should really be keeping 1 or 2 marches for rallies and garrison almost all of the time, this will be saving you a good amount of resources and it isn't going to completely ruin your field presence. Always quality over quantity.
Are you maxing out Special Medicine? Or taking it as far as you can?
I do understand what you are saying but you should not be running out if that many resources that quick, especially when you are a low'ish spender.
Fielding 6 or 7 marches is reserved for the really big whales. Having 3-4 really good marches will still be giving you nice trades and you will still get your 30m kills easily while still reserving resources. As im sure you know, filling rallies and garrison is equally as important as field presence, if not a little bit more important. Which is why you should be saving 2 (at minimum 1) march for garrison and rallies.
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Yeah you do play a very resource intensive way and they way to resolve this is to drop a march or two.
But this would reduce our on field strength and we wouldn't be able to overwhelm these much bigger kingdoms. So I can't stop playing like that, winning kvk is why I play. Also at pass battles, 8 minute walks back to your base with just 3 marches is not effective. This is what I mean, I play properly to win kvk and as a consequence I can no longer participate. Also I have 5 farms! I should be able to fight with 5 marches all kvk considering the time needed for that.
YSG/Mehmed and Alex/CJ. I
YSG/Mehmed is absolutely better than you think. If you have many squishy marches I guarantee it trades well. I don't care if it gets targetted, my other marches rinse through theirs 1 by 1. My next move is to replace martel/Harald with a more damaging March as it is always targetted last. Atm people are targeting my Gyuan/leo 4th and it has hammer, kvk helm etc. It does so much damage and aoe silences them the whole time.
Harald primary you can fire off his skills a lot quicker.
No? Both Alex and Harald have proc damage which means they don't even need rage
I'm not going to reduce my contributions to the key fights just to reach more kills. I play to win kvk and that's it. At this point in the game, the rewards aren't even that impactful. I play properly to win, and if I have to change that I'd rather sell, sorry but that's why I like ROK
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I'm not trying to be rude but you bringing 1 or 2 extra marches will not make the difference between your kingdom winning and losing.
You have to care if they get targetted? That is why you are spending so many resources, because you don't care your marches are getting targetted.
Just because they have instant proc does not mean they don't need rage. Haralds primary still does skill damage and when Stamford Bridge procs, it also procs Haralds Rejuvinate talent, meaning you cycle his skill quicker and you get Alexs shield quicker.
You can't complain about resource cost when you refuse to do the things that help reduce resource cost that aren't going to make a significant impact on the outcome of your kvk.
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There is a big issue with rss for big open field fighters it’s needs to be fixed but I doubt they will if I quit the game it will be due to how much rss it takes to fight in this war game…
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Exactly. Playing the game properly and fighting hard during key battles is when it gets really expensive, thays the issue. I just don't think I should be punished for pushing for a kvk win.
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Haha I know who you are: )
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Hahaha bro I'm just trying anything at this point because I don't wanna quit. Tbf someone recommended buying a bot farm and it might make me stay.
These man tryna give me advice on how to fight like our kingdom doesn't win everything
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Bot farm is viable and not crazy expensive
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Have you found a good site for it? Gonna look now
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Bro I can't go through this heartbreak again though 🤣 I will probably just play cod where they don't charge you money for ammunition.
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"Account selling and buying is against our Terms of Service and therefore we will not allow such posts, resulting in a permanent ban without warning."
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I understand.
But I'm not going to just give up $1000 from my account just to benefit an almost billion dollar company. I'm not stupid.
I'd rather sell it and give to charity. But I'm not, because I want money. Just like Lillith.
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You know this sub is basically unmoderated right???
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This sub is moderated and the person you replied to is right.
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That's also for the first time... I have seen dozens of post of people actually selling there account and nothing happened...
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Those posts get removed and the users posting them get banned.
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Go ahead tell them to ban all the Korean kingdom boting. Selling accounts has been around longer than lilith and there’s no way I’m gaming history that lilith can stop people for buying/selling account/rss bigger much more funded companies have tried with very little success
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Just buy it from private vendors. Your king should have a trusted contact. As long as it’s legally farmed it’s not a big deal. Even whales don’t buy rss from Lilith lmao
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It would cost 10B+ rss to fight for just a few days in kvk. That's $500.
$500 every few days to fight? Not clever.
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Yeah I agree it’s insane when you consider that it takes months of farming to fight for one day. My point was that there’s a 0% chance they lower healing costs, this is Lilith we’re talking about. I fully agree with you on principle - I’m just offering up my opinion that the only sane way to fight at a high level in this game is to buy resources from private parties. $100/bil is also not a competitive price FWIW.
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$100/bil is also not a competitive price FWIW.
That's $50/B which is the normal really, and gold is about $100/B
I agree that they probably won't change anything. I'm just trying to help people understand that causing people to quit and sell accounts is probably more costly for Lillith anyway. So it makes sense for both parties.
If I could just log on and fight after a 2 month break. I'd never sell my account, but because I can't, I'm selling my account. That means Lillith sells nothing to that person.
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I think it's pretty strange that after the healing resource reduction that you get through crystal tech, you are still burning resources that fast? At that point I have to question the actual 'quality' of your account, including the marches and equipment you use, and your general handling of your marches on the field. I would also recommend going to a lower-seed kingdom if you are trying to actually enjoy KVK instead of getting 20x surrounded and smashed in 10 seconds for overextending.
The resource economy in this game is tightly controlled for obvious reasons (money), but it is more than that. If they introduce more resources through bundles, suddenly they get accused of making the game 'P2W'. If you introduce larger nodes, this gives resource sellers more opportunities to build up massive resource counts and distort the game even more for those who buy resources (I don't trust their 'detection' system and its accuracy), disincentivizing any type of resource purchase from the game itself from bundles to resource supplies. It is impossible to please everyone.
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I am 90M account with about 5 years of speedups and no resources to power up with, else I wouldn't be able to fight. Fighting early on is beneficial to me as there are many max tech players in our kvk, which means trades will only get worse. I don't agree with spending extortionate amounts on crystal tech.
I have many meta marches including Gyuan/Leo, Alex/CJ, Nevsky/Saladin, YSG/Mehmed, Martel/Aethl, Harald, minamoto, Khan (useless). I switch them around to make less glass cannon murder balls. 2 legendary sets with kvk gear, 1 mixed set and 3 fully talented epic sets that I interchange. The account is worth over $1000.
My kingdom is a dominant low seed and we are working on getting 3 alliance stars out of 4 kvks. We are a full on tactical nuke on the battlefield and because of our success/matchmaking, we got paired up with high B seeds (we are low C). So we needed to dump our full strength and push in order to advance. (This is Lilliths fault, we played like anyone else and deserve to fight. Unlucky or not, doesn't change the outcome from our perspective. There was compensation for this. So what do we just not fight? Its still a resources issue)
Regardless of what I've said and defending my accounts strength, I don't think it's relevant. You should be able to fight when you log on. Especially if you own SIX accounts to farm from.
If they introduce more resources through bundles, suddenly they get accused of making the game 'P2W'. If you introduce larger nodes, this gives resource buyers more opportunities to build up massive resource counts and distort the game even more for those who buy resources
It's simple. I don't have time to play and I spend a lot of time playing, and money. That is not good. Then you cut the heal cost by 10/1. Things become speedups dependent, which cannot be farmed by sellers. Speedups will then be an issue, but you could fight for MUCH longer. I would much rather have to worry about 1 constraint to fight with, than 2 stressful, time consuming constraints.
disincentivizing any type of resource purchase from the game itself from bundles to resource supplies.
People not having time to farm means people sell their accounts, and drives prices down for these accounts. Which will eventually result in an abundance of strong accounts which outweighs the player base, unless they continually increase the number of new players (which is their current strategy) but that won't last. VIP 16 T5 accounts are dropping down to $200 or sometimes less. Eventually bundles will be such awful value in comparison that they will lose Bundle sales. But at that time it will be too late. The argument of keeping resources from bundles from being worthless contradicts itself. People are 100% quitting the game due to not having enough time, an alarming amount. And the consequences are clear.
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I could go into a whole other tangent about what you just told me. YSG/Mehmed is food on the field, Alex/CJ is food, and Martel/Aethel is food. Out of your 5 marches, only 2 is what I would consider to be 'good enough'. If you had William for Nevsky, Nebu for YSG, I guarantee you will have a better time with just fielding 3 marches. But, this pairing stuff is for another time. It is important to evaluate HOW you fight, because in a finite resource game, it limits how long you CAN fight based on the damage you inflict to either yourself or your enemy with what you use.
Again, you can't make everyone happy. Unlike resources which you can farm for free and at any time, speedups are not nearly as abundant and cannot be 'collected' that frequently. Most of your daily speedup income is either through alliance chests or barbs, both of which are limited through money from alliance members and AP respectively. People would DEFINITELY complain about how P2W this is. Plus, imagine the resource buyers with a further healing cost reduction. They would be practically invincible: they would never stop fighting.
No, the majority of people don't sell their accounts because they 'don't have time to farm'. Mostly it is because they feel like they've experienced everything the game has to offer and are tired of constantly having to keep up with newer generation commanders (that is for another story).
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YSG/Mehmed is food on the field, Alex/CJ
It's not lol. Many whales have used this and it trades incredibly well. Even Chisgile said this and he's far too picky. Nevsky gets targeted first and if you're not outputting damage during that time, you're at a loss.
They're high damage output, so what if they get targeted? Gyuan Leo is destroying them and silencing them the entire time. Alex CJ does insane single targeted. Martel/Aethl is targeted last, has high attack gear and aethl debuff is strong. The marches trade super well and aren't punching bags. I need like 1 more commander for 5 meta marches.
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If you base your marches on Chisgule's suggestions, I suggest finding another advisor. He is far from the most knowledgeable person. He is a great salesman and is great at spending but lacks any knowledge outside the most meta pairs like Amani Art and Nevsky William.
If they get targeted, it means your hospital will fill up much faster while you do much less damage to the enemy than you would if you used quality marches. This is what I mean by knowing 'how' you fight. Alex CJ is flawed in that the rage regen is extremely low: you want CJ to pump as many skills as possible, so someone like Guan or Harold is better suited for him. It is also extremely squishy. Martel Aethel just eats AOE, has slow rage so lower rate of Aethel skills firing and offers nothing other than being a meatball. YSG Mehmed will simply get blown up, especially in this cav meta: everyone knows that a YSG primary is ripe for a swarming.
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Its not worth over 1000$
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I've already spoken to people who sell them and have offers, I trust them more than you. VIP16, 6 marches, all the legendary basic gear and almost unlimited speedups is a valuable sweetspot for selling.
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With who did you speak? Eriko Morales, Derf Plaza? You can find a 2b kp VIP 17 acc with alot of expertised comms for 800$ + a trusted mm
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You have 5 farms and you burn through 80% of your rss in 1 day of fighting? No way. I have 3 farms and I only fight with T5s on my main. My resources carry me through an entire kvk and that's with >30M kills.
If you really are burning through 80% of your rss in one day of fighting, you're doing something wrong.
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We have to fight hard. Kvk mismatch of our super strong low C seed vs a super strong high B seed.
We have to put lots of marches down to win and dominate at all costs when we are active.
I fight with dot game because its so laggy, and yes this causes an issue for us.
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So it seems the real problem here is you fight battles you can't win, and refuse to drop $1000 on a better device after dropping >10x that on the game itself.
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fight battles you can't win,
We did win. But I have to stop playing because I spent all my resources playing a style which allowed us to win. Like I said, we win and I don't need advice. I know that I am playing optimally to help the kingdom win the kvk by fielding maximum power. Its just stupid that playing to win kvk results in you not being able to participate anymore.
refuse to drop $1000
If there was $1000 on the table and you had the option to take it, would you? You are stupid if you don't. Lillith would do the same.
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If you really are carrying your kingdom to wins and not just exaggerating then it shouldn't be a problem to ask your kingdom donate resources to you.
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anyone saying that the resource costs aren't crazy has no idea what they're talking about.
i am a whale and run through billions of resources after about 2 days of fighting. 2 days.
and the notion that you have to ruin your life by operating 20 farm accounts to make up for it is hilarious
It's like Lillith has put people in a trance of denial, because they feel too invested into their accounts and are worried its been a waste of time/money. Its quite toxic.
The amount of time needed to farm is absolutely absurd. Ask anyone who hasn't played they game and they will laugh and tell you "why are you doing that?"
yep it is actually impossible to farm the amount of resources needed to participate in war, at least for me.
people say to use a kingdom resource bank, but, again, i will go through the entire bank myself in less than a week.
if kvk is the endgame, lillith needs to make it possible for t5 players to actually do it without spending $3000 on resources for one kvk
I find it laughable that there is a 30m kill achievement in KvK. Do the developers understand just how many resources that would take? Tens of billions which is not even remotely practical to farm, or really even buy unless you're spending $10k USD per kvk.
i got it easy, kill gatherers and city hop, kill rally return armies