Would you ever consider giving up Cyrillic alphabet as last F.U. to Russia?
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Posted Mar 22, 2022, 11:41 AM UTC
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You know that the Cyrrilic alphabet was created from Greek scholars on an order of a Bulgarian king right. How giving it up is going to tell Russia to fuck off?
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Exactly. The Cyrillic script wasn't invented in Russia. They just adopted it like most of the other Slavic speaking peoples.
Romania is a bit different as their language is a Latin/Romance language (albeit with Slavic influences), so in many ways the Latin alphabet is arguably a more natural fit.
But Ukraine giving up the the Cyrillic alphabet would almost be like if Spain gave up the Latin alphabet after the Napoleonic wars as an F-U to France.
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I speak Spanish and Italian, understand Portuguese almost at spoken speed. Then there's French and Romanian, French unlike the other Latin languages, is kind of like English as it has lots of soft sounds and it is not quite phonetic when written, Romanian on the other hand, sounds like a drunk Russian sailor trying to speak Portuguese.
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I speak Portuguese and some French. Funny you should describe Romanian that way. I've heard people say that Portuguese sounds like a drunk Russian sailor trying to speak French, lol.
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Here is what Wikipedia says about the Cyrillic alphabet:
"The writing system dates back to the 9th century AD, when the Bulgarian tsar Simeon I the Great –following the cultural and political course of his father Boris I– commissioned a new script, the Early Cyrillic alphabet, to be made at the Preslav Literary School in the First Bulgarian Empire, which would replace the Glagolitic script, produced earlier by Saints Cyril and Methodius and the same disciples that created the new Slavic script in Bulgaria. The usage of the Cyrillic script in Bulgaria was made official in 893."
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Why do the Russians get to ruin other cultures. They don't own the alphabet. It would be better to be the stronger nation to have it.
I understand your point, but I disagree with giving up stuff because the Russians also have it.
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Just like all those americans who gave up using the arabic numerals after 9/11
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the collective rest of the world should rename Russia to North Ukraine
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Russia may use the Cyrillic alphabet but they didn't invent it and have a lot less to do with it than some other Eastern European countries for which it has a big cultural significance. Others here have mentioned how it was invented on the order of a Bulgarian king. What is also notable that Bulgarian was the first language other than Greek, Latin, and Hebrew to get official dispensation (in the 9th century AD) to be used in church services and to translate the Bible in--using the Cyrillic alphabet of course.
Bulgaria has a national holiday dedicated to the Cyrillic alphabet (May 24), and monuments of the two brothers who invented it (Kiril and Metodi) all over the place. So yeah, it's not going anywhere.
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Hi, I cannot read Cyrillic but I think Ukraine should keep it.
Greeks ( and Cyprese) use their own alphabet. that's why the Euro notes say Eypo ( that's what it looks like to me ;P) below Euro. and below that it already says EBPO ( again what it looks like to me) which is apparently Cyrillic for Euro. ( added since 2013 or so)
in different intensities as a feature against counterfeit, not as a political statement before someone finds a problem with it, complain to the ECB not to me.
dunno why the Romanians changed alphabets in the 1800's but now I kinda wanna read about that. so thanks OP.
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ΕΥΡΏ.
Y'all should learn Greek :)
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I'll learn greek at the same time the greek learn to pay taxes and learn to wash dishes so they can stop spending all their money on new dinner plates?
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what are greek jokes/ stereotypes about Dutch people? you got any?
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Over 25% of my gross income is taxes, my friend.
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so me asking for Greek jokes/sterotypes about the Dutch means the things I mentioned before are stereotypes/jokes that exist about the greeks. I am sorry that wasn't clear :(
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Cyrillic fits Ukrainian (and Russian for that matter) very well (as it would Polish even).
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I'm curious as to why Polish went with the Latin alphabet. My best guess is that since it's a majority Roman Catholic country, they went with the Latin alphabet as that's what the Roman Catholic Church uses. The other Slavic peoples were more likely to be Eastern Orthodox, so they didn't have the same ties to the Latin alphabet.
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Yeah-That would really piss Russians off....
Not really.
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why? cyrillic alphabet suits the ukrainian language just much better.
also it would be pointless and just annoying for all ukrainians to learn a new alphabet and someone would have to come up with how to spell ALL words.
just no
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No. Ukrainians are trying to preserve their culture, not destroy it
Well, I think this is one bit you could sacrifice.
Absurd, please read history.
Eh, Russians have been trying to Russify the Ukrainian language and ban it outright for centuries, and it’s become a really big pride for Ukrainians (after maidan a lot of people who previously spoke Russian in their day to day switched to Ukrainian). I don’t think anyone is going to start changing it to the Latin alphabet anytime.
This doesn’t even consider the logistics of how insanely difficult it would be to do so.
Most Pan-Asian languages can be written in the Latin alphabet, and as a matter of fact are. Tagalog, Vietnamese, Thai, and many other most have a Latin alphabet simplified grammar version.
It’s not a matter of “can be”, I know they can, as I regularly use the Latin alphabet to phonetically type out Ukrainian/Russian when speaking to my family simply for the fact that it takes me too long to type of a Cyrillic keyboard.
That aside, the logistics of standardizing the “new” alphabet and translating all Ukrainian works from Cyrillic to Latin would be a lengthy headache. You also have to realize while a lot of younger Ukrainians in cities speak English or other Latin languages, those in rural areas and the older generations tend to not know the Latin alphabet. And that’s all on top of the fact the language is the culture and the don’t want it to change simply because Russia also uses the Cyrillic alphabet (they didn’t even invent it…)
There shouldn't be sacrifices, there shouldn't be compromises, Russia should f off
After WW2 japan considered giving up on their language and making everyone learn French. Fair enough they had very different reasons to distance themselves from their history but you shouldn't have to give up on a part of your culture just because of horrible events. Ukraine will come out of this culturally stronger then ever before