Gen. Keane on 'Kilmeade Show': Biden more interested in ending Russia-Ukraine war than winning it
foxnews.com/media/keane-biden-ukraine-russia-...Posted Mar 29, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC
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So America is supposed to win the war for Ukraine? This guy is nuts, maybe he should go over there himself and fight if he's got such big balls and great ideas.
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If I see fox or CNN I look for another source if no alternate source exists Ignore content. Retired general on fox. Let me guess he's ganna be on the right side of the spectrum.
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Fox News is Tokyo Rose.
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To win a war you must be at war. Which we aren't. Just saying. You can't win something you don't directly participate in.
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I guess this is just a game for these "conservative" psychopatha.
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Anxious to hear his take on Trump threatening Russia with nukes.
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Old men start wars while young men die in wars
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And everyone dies in a nuclear war.
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We’re not at war. How can we win? Yeah let’s just end it, thanks.
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Ending it without escalation into a direct conflict between NATO and Russia IS 'winning' as far as I am concerned.
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Agreed!
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Fox News going a hilarious route after calling Biden a warmonger for going public with intelligence that Putin planned to invade.
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I don't see Biden's "slips" indicative the priority is ending the war. Russia (before that USSR) has been a thorn in our side for years.
Ukraine is bleeding Russia dry right now with help from the west. Unfortunately it's at the cost of Ukrainian lives.
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I mean... There is a way we can drive gas prices down.... But like.. Americans are fucking lazy and largely scared of such things as bikes and walking.
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In other words, their gas bills are more important than Ukraine.
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I mean if you frame it like that then most of the world feels that way. That's kind of a generalization if you really want to be that abstract. Are they seeing a resurgence of bikes in Germany?
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I think people are always going to be more concerned with their own lives and what has a direct effect on them, than some far off foreign conflict.
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On that I will agree without discourse. When food gets scarce gardens appears. God I hate that analogy.
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Happy Vietnam Memorial Day to all who served in that loooonnnnnggggg war.
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10 years, and over 50,000 American casualties.
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Yep, and I think the General is wrong...the Russian war machine is not done.
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Not done by a long shot. That's why Zelensky keeps crying for a ceasefire.
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Totally agree with him. Putin is Hitler. I don't give a F-U-C-K how many Russian trolls down vote.
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If you think Russian Trolls are the only ones who don't like the idea of the USA going to war with Russia then you're just fucking deluded
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Biden has to end it because if these gas prices go any higher and his approval ratings get any lower, the Dems can just kiss the mid term elections goodbye.
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Why do so many right wing people sub to conspiracy theories? I see a disturbing pattern
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Right? They do realize that we don't get our oil from Russia right? That's not why gas prices are up.
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You realize oil is a global market and if you remove 10% of the supply elsewhere, the prices there go up, so our oil gets shipped there unless we pay more to keep it here. Economics 101
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Good for them. But that doesn't apply here. Especially when supply is nowhere near capacity. You want to bring oil prices down? End the sanctions in Iran. Let alone holding the Saudis and OPEC by the balls to reopen production at existing facilities operating well below capacity to drive the price of oil up. Capitalism 101
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Because it gives them the feeling of having special knowledge and thus being operating at a superior level to the normal person. This "feeling" they get is allows them to avoid admitting that they are responsible for their own faults and mediocrity, rather than some external boogieman who is both monolithic in the scope of their power and influence, and yet simultaneously pathetic and weak to those who have good special knowledge.
tl/dr; they value feelings over facts.
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So you're... against trying to limit conflict in the world so the gears of commerce can work?
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Because he can't win it.
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not without escalating it into stupid
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He already won
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Weird that you’re blaming Biden for responding to what Russia did.
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US provoked Russia into invading and stealing Crimea from Ukraine? You are nuts.
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I’m what way did the US provoke Russia?
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Apparently shaking our finger after they invaded a foreign country was us provoking then. Fucking morons everywhere trying to blame Russian aggression on the US
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Generals always say to the politicians "just give me more guns, more planes, more tanks, and more men and I will win this war." Never seems to work out that way though.
Right? There's a reason we generally value civilian oversight of the military.
Well US Grant did just that in the Civil War and they did win but Grant became known as "the butcher" because of the staggering losses of his men (obviously he didn't request planes and tanks).
Well maybe he should have!
Although i agree with you, in this case, he's not wrong.
If Putin stays in power, he'll only seek revange and his propaganda machine will work overtime.
They'll re-arm and work on their mistakes and in 5 years they'll come back for more.
Putin is extremly clear on his intentions and unlike Biden, he doesn't have to campaign and please the electors.
If the war stops tomorrow, Russia will be in the same state as Germany was after WW1...
This is why Putin cannot have a half victory or stay in power.
Russia has made it clear that it never be trusted ever again !
I don't know what you are advocating for here. Direct US involvement? An invasion of Russia? What?
That's the problem, we can't have direct conflict and we can't set foot on russian soil. the chain reaction would be an impossible escalation.
If Russia has a semi win, they'll spin it into propaganda.
Russians won't chase Putin away because of the sanctions.
The only way they will revolt is if their military loss were A LOT higher than the current ~17,000.
On the long term, the best thing to do would be to inflict extremly high casulties to the russian army at like ~50,000 dead or more.
There were 15,000 dead soldier in afghanistan before the people started to protest. According to the ukrainians, they are already at that level ans the people don't really seem to care...
Change must come from the inside
Unfortunately Ukraine is taking a beating as well. We know next to nothing about Ukrainian casualty numbers, but it is a good bet they are also staggeringly high. And that doesn't even mention civilian dead. Plus the immense damage done to the infrastructure and economy.
I imagine this conflict will end with an unpalatable political settlement. But that is probably the best we can hope for at this juncture.
I think one thing to advocate for would be the continuation of sanctions, without taking any steps back. There might already be bad signals, if the generals are starting to speak out. Certain groups are definitely working over time to lift the sanctions and get back to normal, as if nothing has happened. Is this happening already? I hope not. But the temptations will be strong, and if Western countries will show weakness, previous comment that you have responded to will become an inevitable reality.
I fear that some level of sanctions relief will be necessary to end this conflict. It is almost certain the only way out of this war is a political settlement. The Russians will not agree to such a settlement unless sanctions relief is offered. It is the primary reason to impose sanctions to begin with. You use the stick and then offer the carrot for a cessation of hostilities.
I understand it feels repugnant. But international relations are not driven by moral calculus first and foremost, but national interests. And sometimes achieving the best result means accepting a deal you would rather not. The best result for Ukraine would be an end to the devastation, and that likely does not come without sanctions relief.
This is an honestly absurd take. Russia can't fucking "re-arm," they're broke. They can only afford to stick conscripts in broken and aging gear, and even conscripts become hard to come by when your population is shrinking.
Except nothing like that at all.
RPGs and pocket drone don't cost much and worked great for Ukraine that is also broke AF.
The ukrainian army wasn't great at all in 2014. It took 8 years of training with NATO to become decent.
Because they're designed to be cheap defensive solutions specialized against tank columns. They're great tools against Russia, not for Russia.
Okay? In the peacetime duration Ukraine would continue to get support from NATO. Time is on Ukraine's side, not Russia's.
How many years do you think Putin has left?
How long do you think they've planned the invasion of Ukraine?
How long will it take to rebuild their military and their economy to the point where they are capable of retaliation in any meaningful way?
he's 70. Biden is 79 so i'd give Putin 10 to 15 more years. Depending on the outcome of this conflict.
Seing the piss poor execution, i'd say 3 to 6 months max. It's very difficult to keep something like that secret for a long time and apparently eventhe closest allies didn't know. That's how the russian central bank got caught pants down with half of their reserve abroad. Had they know, they would have bring it back to mother russia.
Depends on what they focus and the objective. Against NATO, no need to invest in airplanes, they would never have air dominance.
If they don't have the sky then tanks is not an option as they would get picked one by one.
Small high mobility units.
Do you remember that wargame where a retired US general defeated the US while role playing Iran ? Wikipedia
Production of RPGs and Drones is not that long and pretty cheap.
Just the training of officers and NCOs in general might take more time.