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Fuuton: Rasengan

Was wondering about this the other day. Naruto spent so much time and trouble learning this technique and the only time we ever saw it he combined it with another technique. Soon after he revealed the rasenshuriken and this technique was quickly forgotten. SO did Naruto just master the Fuuton: Rasengan to the point where he made it the Rasenshuriken? If this was the case, wouldn't it make sense to make this technique a staple for naruto's infamous close range combat instead of ever using the a regular rasengan again? since we all know he can't use the Rasenshuriken as a close range? Input?

Edit: I know it's spelt "Fūton". I goofed.

Posted Jun 14, 2012, 1:15 AM UTC

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aDumbGorilla•

I guess Naruto never uses it because Rasenshuriken is just better.

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Raider_Zer0•

To answer your question, Fuuton: Rasengan was merely an incomplete Rasenshuriken. At first, Naruto wasn't able to throw the Rasenshuriken, so the Fuuton: Rasengan was basically the same, just smaller and weaker. When Naruto mastered Sennjutsu, he learned to throw the Rasenshuriken, which eliminates the risk of hurting himself with the jutsu. So, the Fuuton: Rasengan was just a technique in the creation process of the Rasenshuriken.

EDIT: Why he doesn't the Fuuton: rasengan instead of the regular one? The fuuton: rasengan takes one more clone to do.

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FuzzedOutOP•

There we go! Was wondering and that makes the most sense. Just curious as to why he still called it the rasenshuriken when he hit kakuzu with it and damaged his arm. Kind of odd considering he called it Futon:Rasengan in one instance and Futon:Rasenshuriken during another (when he hit kakuza at point blank and damaged his arm). Perhaps it's a translation error.

Edit to add links: Was looking back and this appears to be incorrect

This was the first time we see him using the Rasenshuriken. And this is the jutsu that damages his arm. It is NOT the Futon: Rasengan. This is the only time we see the Futon: Rasengan As you can see their vastly different jutsu.

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Raider_Zer0•

Umm... I don't really understand, what post is incorrect, yours or mine?

Note the

Rasenshuriken, so the Fuuton: Rasengan was basically the same, just smaller and weaker

If you are referring to my post.

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FuzzedOutOP•

It was in reference to your post, but I understand now. I wonder if, when adding elemental chakra to the rasengan always results in a different technique. I just wonder why Naruto wouldn't utilize it more if it doesn't have such a serious consequence.

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Raider_Zer0•

Th fuuton:rasengan may or may not have a consequence like the Rasenshuriken has. Rasenshuriken literally obliterates your chakra circulatory system, which makes the opponent unable to use chakra. Now, if not thrown, the effect on the user is the same, but seems to be weaker, as Naruto did not die when he blasted Kakuzu.

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i_have_your_answer•

It was Naruto and Yamato using the typhoon water vortex technique. which was a mix of Naruto's rasen shuriken and Yamato's tearing torrent technique.

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FuzzedOutOP•

What? Did you read the post? Lol Naruto was learning how to use the futon rasengan when he made multiple clones, to amplify his training. He used the futon rasengan, NOT the rasenshuriken, which he combined with yamotos water jutsu to create the torrent tech. All the translations I have read read it as futon rasengan. Unless your implying futon rasengan and rasenshuriken are one in the same?

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[deleted]•

And in the picture it looked like a normal rasengan, it didn't have any cool shuriken stuff coming out of the sides.

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i_have_your_answer•

Sorry about that I mixed up rasenshuriken and futon rasengan. It has been a long day.

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gen3stang•

Didn't it mess up his chakra channels at the moleculer lvl? Tjats why he had to throw it I think

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hilkito•

That's the Rasenshuriken.

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Raider_Zer0•

The Fuuton: Rasengan is an incomplete Rasenshuriken, and as gen3stang said, the wind nature transformation is the reason why he can't use Rasenshuriken without throwing it. There's tiny chakra-needles shooting out everywhere, which cut through the chakra vains. If you have no chakra vains/channels, you no use chakra.

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FuzzedOutOP•

I could have sworn it was the rasenshuriken that damaged his arm.

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Raider_Zer0•

Umm.. That's what i said, and that's why he doesn't do it anymore without throwing it.

I don't know if I built up the sentence incorrectly, I'm no native english speaker so pardon me if I made a derp.

Both, Fuuton: Rasengan and Fuuton: Rasenshuriken require chakra nature transformation, which in this case is made with the wind element. Fuuton: Rasengan just doesn't create a blast big as the Rasenshuriken, therefore probably not damaging the user that much, or possibly not damaging at all. However, it takes one more clone to do, which is probably why naruto uses the regular rasengan instead.

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hilkito•

Rasenshuriken is forbidden when used as a melee technique, but by using Sage Mode chakra, Naruto can throw it and overcome the damage it does to its arm. Fuuton: Rasengan had to be mastered before Naruto could make the Rasenshuriken, which means they are different techniques, and one is not the incomplete or complete version of the other. The only time the Fuuton: Rasengan was used was against Kakashi's Rasengan, and though it was incomplete at that time, Naruto didn't appear to be injured by its use. Since Fuuton: Rasengan hasn't been used again by Naruto, we don't know if it does some damage to Naruto's arm, like the Rasenshuriken does, to a lesser extent.

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Raider_Zer0•

Even the Rasengan is an incomplete technique, which Minato left for Naruto to complete, which he did and now is taking it even farther with the tailed beast bomb.

Maybe "incomplete" isn't exactly the right expression... Ummm.. More like "advance", I mean, the rasengan was a "complete" technique, created by Minato, but unlike he planned, he wasn't able to add the Wind Release to it. That's why it was basically, "incomplete" and "to be advanced", 'cause Minato was supposed to do it anyway, but died.

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ElectricLamp•

He still has to have one clone to mold and one to add nature transformation. I suppose it'd be impractical, until he gets chakra arms.

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Nightlyfe•

Couldn't Naruto use the Rasenshuriken now that he has sage chakra and/or nine tails chakra control.

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