Something is broken about reporting

Complaint | Esports

normally a 10k behavior score player. Vary rarely I'll dip 100 points, usually due to a once in a blue moon abandon. Suddenly today the new report is generated: usual <3 reports, tons of commends, 0 abandons, behavior score: 8.7k. Wait, what? Why? Ok whatever, I guess. A few games later I noticed I'd recently been given a 48 hour mute. Uhhhhh ..?

As a general rule, I almost never solo queue (average 3+ party size), and rarely use text in-game. Voice is totally disabled. This is why it took me a few games to even notice. I looked over my last 15 games and, per usual, I had a handful lines of text total to anyone. The only all chat is one '?' and one 'zzz'. To my team there lines like asking my teammate who I should focus in fights for them, and another telling someone its ok they are playing fine.

-1.3k behavior scores. 48 hour mute. Not that is matters a ton to me since I barely use it anyway. But something is super off here. Pretty sure in the past it was flat out impossible to report people unless they actually talked a notable amount. But now, talking doesn't appear to be requirement at all for getting muted anymore. That seems bizarre.

Posted Jun 12, 2022, 2:50 PM UTC · edited

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Saxon511•

I don’t know man, it’s not that I don’t believe that you are the absolute angel of dota that you claim to be, but in my experience, everyone who claims on here that their behavior score is dropping for no reason is in denial

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hackenschmidtOP•

but in my experience, everyone who claims on here that their behavior score is dropping for no reason is in denial

Except there's no denial here. I literally went though my last 15 games (what the report is based off of) before making this post to verify I hadn't missed something totally egregious. I hadn't. I flat out don't have a single character of text or voice line in almost all of my games. The ones I do, its on the order of a few words, nothing of which is remotely reportable obviously.

t’s not that I don’t believe that you are the absolute angel of dota that you claim to be

Never said I was. If you read what I wrote, it should be impossible to even report someone like me, let alone for the result in an actual mute. In fact, thats a major reason why I don't communicate in game other than pings/pre-assigned text. I learned many years ago, it just increased the reports you received, namely by salty and/or toxic people abusing the system. Thats also why they changed is so you cannot report people unless they actually use notable amounts of text/voice: so you cannot abuse that report.

That is apparently not the case anymore. If I had to guess, the change to combine the mute/report button, isn't respecting this condition. So if someone just mutes everyone every game (which I know more than one player that does this), it wrongly dinging everyone.

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Uhtred_Lodbrok•

Can you please provide a screenshot of your matchplayer report incoming? because comm abuse is too specific. https://steamcommunity.com/login/home/?goto=%2Fmy%2Fgcpd%2F570%2F%3Fcategory%3DAccount%26tab%3DMatchPlayerReportIncoming

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hackenschmidtOP•

Can you please provide a screenshot of your matchplayer report incoming?

Didn't know that was a thing. Here: https://imgur.com/a/IKafrcp That is like 200+ games worth of data.

because comm abuse is too specific too, IIRC comm abuse reports don't even reduce behavior score anymore.

The report system you linked me, suggests other wise.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I know who 5 of those 6 reports are: a very specific toxic 5 guild stack. They are notorious pieces of shit. I really mean it with complete sincerity. They are garbage people. They'll 5 stack, try to stomp and then fountain farm people until they abandon. I saw one game were they held the other team hostage for over 20 mins. I bet they figured out they can now just mass report people and then almost certainly get them muted.

EDIT: yup, that game looks like its in the report window. They lost, hard and were pissed about getting stomped. I bet they were just mad they didn't get to grief people and report muted everyone to tank their behavior score and try to get them muted.

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Uhtred_Lodbrok•

Oh looks like there's your answer u got 6 comm abuse reports hence why you're muted and apparently it's equivalent to 1.2k behavior score reduction but I guess comm abuse reports does still lower behavior score.

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Ler_GG•

not true.

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crazorbeams:legioncommander:•

Welcome to grief reporting 101, it was removed for a brief period of time, only way you could lose behavior score is if you were convicted by overwatch. Valve brought it back after about a month after overwatch was released and basically voided the system, people can still grief report and tank your behavior score.

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Uhtred_Lodbrok•

But why mute? and not a matchmaking ban. Seems like he was reported for comm abuse rather than griefing.

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Ler_GG•

because if you do not actively grief, they can not overwatch report, which only leaves the general MM abuse report after the game, which will be wasted if they are not 100% certain that you receive more reports of that kind (If they know the report goes through, they get it back. else it is refreshed a week later and wasted for the week) to trigger an MM ban.

The only thing that they are left with is a communication abuse report, which they can be 100% certain it will go through if you typed something in chat, no matter what. It has a way lower trash hold then the MM abuse reports and you have a higher count of communication reports as well as a Durante to trigger it if the chat was used.

All they need is a party to stack enough reports to trigger the automated mute + behavior score reduction.

Welcome to Dota, enjoy.

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Uhtred_Lodbrok•

I see but does pinging and using chatwheel count as a chat? that allows them to report you?

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crazorbeams:legioncommander:•

When I say grief report I don't mean reported for griefing, I mean he was likely falsely reported for comms (when you simply question marked) = grief reported

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SeniorSatisfaction21:techies:•

I totally agree, yesterday I griefed the shit out of 2 games because my "partners" ruined the laning, and got away with -100 behaviour score. I am sure everyone reported me back then. I even had broken my items. Usually I would get instant low priority but didnt get it so far

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deejaybee11:axe: asdasdasd•

Imagine admitting to playing like this

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SeniorSatisfaction21:techies:•

Ikr lmfao. Im not losing anything, and typically I don't grief it might happen once in a month or so.

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