Number of foreigners in Slovenia has doubled in 4 years (Slo. Gov.), but the demand for workers is still too high. Most of companies and small businesses struggle to find people to work for them. Some people I know even think of downscaling or closing. Is this also a problem in other Balkan countries?
I blame companies expanding uncontrollably and also covid.
Posted Jun 16, 2022, 6:09 AM UTC
Don’t hire immigrants. Pay your countrymen a fair wage.
Exactly.
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The government should ban it.
let me tell you something. New generations who grew up with smart phones and social media does not want to work for blue collar jobs. For example United States. there are huge truck driver shortage. Some companies offering 80 to100 k a year for driving a truck.
That's false. It is well documented that truck driving in USA is horrendous for the drivers.
like what why ? i have couple of friend who driving truck and they say we don't do nothing. they say we watch tv and truck driving itself.
We both know that your friends are fictional. Drivers are monitored and are compensated only for the driving time (which follows deadlines too). The time which they have to wait at docks etc (which is A LOT) isn't compensated.
These facts are well-known, even Lex Fucking Fridman had an episode on it.
They are not fictional. why would i lie ?
True. I think its a problem, and most people would prefer to live from social welfare instead of working.
Or maybe they'd like a wage that doesn't resemble welfare benefits.
You're delusional and out of your mind lmao
Its true. In Slovenia you can live from social welfare, and certain group take advantage of that. It is a known fact, that we are trying to fix
No one wants to live on social welfare. You can't buy stupid iphones and nice cars or clothes etc. You just survive on it, you don't live a good life. There is also a stigma attached to it. Many people that are on social welfare would love to have a stable full time job with the prospect of making more money. There are people who live off social welfare and are okay with it, but they are outcasts of society who have larger issues.
Yes. Covid opened people eyes.
For construction workers it goes like this: Romanians will go to the west and of course instead of salary rises, our companies take people from south east Asia. Even at shawarma places you’ll find foreign workers from Asia
Depends from where you get the immigrants. If they're from Balkans which I suppose they're not, you won't have such a big shortage. But people are not going to work for peanuts anymore, they want some good money which sometimes isn't logical considering the work. Albania soon will fail as a country because people are leaving in Germany and Italy for work, the war and pandemic made things worse. Because before 2020 people were kinda happy with what they got, but now stuff are 3x more expensive and they can't have a comfortable life anymore. Every part of the country needs workers, some even pay well for a country such as Albania but I suppose people leave because is in our nature as humans to explore and for a life without worries and they avoid all the political and social drama here which is the worse part of our country. I think is the same all over Balkans and It's time for a big change to make our lives better and people to feel more secure about the future.
We dont share the same problem with people leaving the country. Quite opposite. I think that we need to focus, on getting immigrants employed, while still keeping native workfore in fair and livable conditions. Problem is that, there are certain jobs Slovenians wont do. And we compeltly rely on immigrants.
Yes I know, Slovenia is quite a good country to live in the current situation. Maybe your immigrants are hoping for some kind of free money as migrants, they shouldn't be there for that reason. I'm against of that kind of migration, if they will come let them come for work or vacation.
I dunno, maybe the employers are also bad lmao
The number of foreigners in Montenegro has quadrupled with lots of migrants from Turkey and ME.
For instance the summer season has exposed a severe lack of workers in the tourism industry, or better said, Montenegrins aren’t willing to work for cheap anymore with lots going to the US or Croatia for summer jobs. The spots are filled by Albanians Macedonians etc.. who are usually content with lower wages.. But even with them the shortage is still here, this is the first time I’ve seen African waiters..
Same in Bulgaria. The answer is that people are lazy af. We struggle to find quality people even though we offer competitive pay (IT). For other jobs and industries its mostly skilled labor is just missing due to education and also the pay is way lower and people don't feel like working.
Its absurd that for example people with medical degrees earn 3-4 times less then common IT jobs where an unwashed neckbeard with ability to install Wordpress can earn more than a surgeon.
There's just a shortage of quality people. Combine that with the fact many companies are offering remote and top talent can easily work for US/EU rates. Why would they work for "competitive" Bulgarian rates?
I'm currently interviewing in IT (product design) and it is difficult to see why I would accept an offer from a Bulgarian company that literally pays half of what I could make by still working from home. Maybe the security of the labour contract is a benefit, but like for 50% less? No thank.
Nobody is lazy FOR THE RIGHT PRICE.
If people are choosing not to work for you, then they have other means of income that are better, in comparison. It's simple and attributing that to "Herp, derp everyone is lazy!" is just a weak argument.
Nobody is lazy
FOR THE RIGHT PRICE.
I didn't say I work for a Bulgarian company and the problem on the local market is the same.
People are lazy. Even for the right price. They would change job even for the slightest of temptation on top regardless of the actual value they bring in. Let's be real, what percentage of your company workforce contribute to the actual value created? But all of them want to ride the IT train and get salary updates else they would leave.
Also I wanted to distinguish from the IT as its a bubble. The skilled labor needed in the poorest Bulgarian regions is enormous. Even companies in manufacturing offering good pay and benefits struggle to recruit skilled (or any) labor, can't fill in all the workbenches and delay work orders. Also many young people are lazy and prefer welfare.
There are people willing to work, if you are willing to pay. I hope that the minimum wage slavery era is coming to an end.
It is not. Labour exploitation is intensifying.
Maybe. It depends on supply and demand. So it would vary between areas.