Group A: LGIM_MVP - Liquid_TaeJa - Empire_Violet - LGIM_Seed
Group B: StarTale_Squirtle - TSL_Symbol - MarineKingPrime - SK_MC
Group C: Genius - Quantic_NaNiwa - MVPKeen - ByuNPrime
Group D: MVP_Dongraegu - Slayers_Ryung - SuperNova - LGIM_Nestea
Posted Jun 22, 2012, 5:51 AM UTC · edited
Seed is on LG-IM not MVP
Corrected, thanks.
For the people downvoting this, he is correct. Seed is on LG-IM.
For the people downvoting this, he is correct. Seed is on LG-IM.
^^^^plzdonthurtme
My predictions: Group A: MVP beats Taeja. Violet beats Seed. MVP beats Violet. Taeja beats Seed. Violet beats Taeja. MVP and Violet advance.
Group B: Symbol beats Squirtle. MKP beats MC. Symbol beats MKP. Squirtle beat MC. Squirtle beat MKP. Symbol and Squirtle advance.
Group C: Naniwa beats Genius. Keen beats ByuN. Naniwa beats Keen. Genius beats ByuN. Genius beats Keen. Naniwa and Genius advance.
Group D: DRG beats Ryung. Nestea beats SuperNova. DRG beats Nestea. Ryung beats Supernova. Nestea beats Ryung. DRG and Nestea advance.
RO8 would then consist of: 1T 3P 4Z, but the T will end up winning it all for his 5th Code S title. MVP in the playoffs is always superscary as he is most likely the best player at preparing specifically for a player.
Naniwa most recently got 4-0'd by Genius, not sure if that is a for sure prediction. Also, Keen has pretty good TvP.
Obviously none of the predictions are certain. :) I'd take the 4-0 in a NASL showmatch with a grain of salt though, as neither player would take that as seriously as a ro16 match in Code S. Genius definitely can beat Naniwa again here though.
Also yes, Keen isn't bad. He is very inconsistent though, so unless he has one of his better days I feel he won't get out of the group.
I think NaNi will beat Genius because he has a much better work ethic as he trains so much each day because he is so motivated.
While I obviously believe, or atleast hope, this will happen, don't underestimate Genius. He does live up to his name. After MVP and Nestea I'd consider him the smartest player in Korea.
I'd be perfectly OK with mvp winning it all again.
Same here tbh. While I hope he doesn't, as I always hope for a zerg to win, MVP is just something special when it comes to the GSL. While he might keep a low profile and thus not be one of the fan-favorites in the foreigner scene, his ability to prepare so damn well for his opponents and the sheer amount of builds he has is impressive. He does cheese a bit too much for my liking, but he does it so well, and he is just as good at playing the macro-game.
I really enjoy that about him, he can do anything. Any style, any build, and just beautifully.
there is no way both protoss will get out of C, both of the T are super strong. Byun is sick good and in top form at the moment, kinda like Alive was a few seasons back. And Keen can cheese his way through any best of series! and maybe a bit of macro mixed in.
Very nice predictions. I disagree on a few.
Group A: I think that Taeja will beat Violet and make it out of the group. I can't remember much of Taeja's TvZ, but he's been so solid lately I'd be a little surprised if he didn't make it honestly.
Group B: I agree here, but I have this nagging feeling that MC is just gonna surprise everyone and make it out of the group first (yeah that's bold as shit).
Group C: I think Genius beats Naniwa in the first game. Keen vs ByuN is really interesting because both are underrated players who have been top of Code A bottom of Code S caliber for a while. Though I agree here. Then I would say Genuis beats Keen. Naniwa beats ByuN. Keen beats Naniwa.
Group D: I think you're right up to the last match, but the last match is a toss up, so there's no real argument here. Solid prediction on NesTea (I hope he gets through, but I wouldn't mind if Ryung did). However Ryung was the only player to get through the ro32 4-0, and he looked mighty fine in doing so.
All in all really solid predictions, it's the GSL RO16 so any pick you make can be justified at this point. That's why they play the games. Can't wait!
Naniwa just 2-0ed Keen in Dreamhack.
A:
MVP > TaeJa
Violet > Seed
MVP > Violet
TaeJa > Seed
TaeJa > Violet
B:
Symbol > Squirtle
MKP > MC
Symbol > MKP
Squirtle > MC
Squirtle > MKP
C:
Naniwa > Genius
GKP > Keen
GKP > Naniwa
Genius > Keen
Genius > Naniwa
D:
Ryung > DRG
NesTea > SuperNoVa
NesTea > Ryung
SuperNoVa > DRG
SuperNoVa > Ryung
Imo Group D is the hardest to predict. There are just so many factors. NesTea is good, but how good will he be? Ryung played great in the Ro32, will he continue it? Supernova is a beast, but how will he stack up against two great Zergs and a TvT specialist? DRG is possibly the best Zerg in the world, but how will his harassing overwhelming style do against one of the strategical Terrans in the world and an exploding star (supernova)?
I kind of just guessed with the predictions in D >.<, I'd rather choose an upset of some sorts and seem smart!
Group D will indeed be very interesting. At a glance, DRG and Nestea look like the obvious favs to take the group. But the way Ryung played in the ro32, he can beat anyone. And Supernova is.... well, Supernova. Still, they're up against the wall here as DRG is the best player in the world, and Nestea is the smartest player in the world, and for once he is playing a race that might be considered overpowered. Considering he won his titles while his race was considered the worst, I feel he has a huge chance of taking it all here. The fact that noone wanted to pick him for the ro16 speaks volumes. Everyone respects Nestea, so noone should ever underestimate him.
MKP WILL ADVANCE!!!
All of that except Symbol very well might take it.
Yes, he definitely has a good chance of winning it all, especially if he plays like lately in GSTL+ro32 of Code S. Group B is just insanely hard to predict though, any player in the group can advance and no matter who goes thru it won't be an upset.
Pretty accurate. except MVP wont win it this time IMO.
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Things to look out for that i have noticed. I watched all Round of 32 matches(yes i have no life).
Genius looks ridiculously good right now, he played really good during the Round of 32.
Byun, has very solid TvP and can be a dark-horse in all of this.
Nestea is slowly going under the radar with the emergence of Symbol and DRG's recent success, but theres a reason why he was picked last and it seems people are really not wanting to go up against him. He is still considered the best game-planner. Also had a solid round of 32.
hey dude! I've missed all of this season, save thorzain's first matches, which ones should i check out first?
Symbol vs Parting. Amazing match-up.
thanks! watching yugi-oh vs mkp, i'll do that one next
What Fc said the Symbol vs Partin great great stuff. I'm a huge fan of TaeJa and his run yesterday was one of the more exciting moments so far for me. He did an amazing comeback and showcased incredibly solid play.
Great analysis, thanks!
Edit: viOLet and Byun both seem like dark-horses.
If you watched all of them, you should point out that Ryung was playing super really well, too! He wasn't really on my radar until I saw him play.
I dunno about Byun. He looked a bit all-iny in ro32.
Nestea's ZvT is not strong enough to get out of this group.
TheStC would beg to differ. Also, if you look back to the match he lost vs Keen in code A last season, keen literally played out of his mind. Probably the best TvZ play from a Terran I have seen recently
StC got bopped (don't hurt me tasteless). NesTea got one baneling landmine and then proceeded to break down his front and won the game.
Happy for Naniwa, no Zergs! =)
Don't underestimate Byun, he has a very solid TvP.
I know, all the Code S players are very strong obviously. Just saying, it would have been far worse:)
Also doesn't matter if we underestimate Byun, as long as Naniwa doesn't ;)
Didn't expect him to get such a good group. I think he has a good chance of winning the group even, something I didn't expect at all when we only had the names for the ro16.
Did anybody who was watching catch Squirtle's explanation for picking Symbol or Symbol's explanation for picking MKP?
Squirtle picked Symbol because he wanted to play one of the best players right away. Symbol went on to pick MKP because he feels he has the upper hand against him + he wanted to give Squirtle even more great players for the group.
that's really stupid imho. you'll have your chance to face the best... let it come to you
Only MVP and NesTea are smart in that regard. That's why they have won so many GSL titles. The other players are all a bit stupid. Play to win, not for glory.
There are only so many weaker players in the Ro16, and most of those aren't very weak at all but instead can be called situational. Many of the ones you would call weak had been chosen by that point.
Squirtle specifically said he wanted more motivation for practice by picking a really tough opponent.
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Squirtle said that he picked Symbol because it would motivate him to practice really hard. I don't remember why Symbol picked MKP, but at the beginning of the nominations he mentioned that he wanted Terrans in his group, and right before Symbol was to pick, MKP "suggested" (begged) for him to pick Byun or a Protoss, so that might have been some humorous spite.
Symbol beat MKP 2-0 in the ro32 with amazing games, so that may have something to do with why he picked him
Symbol beat MKP 3-0 at Iron Squid, too, pre-patch...
Might take that with a grain of salt, Symbol was only starting to emerge then and it was very hard to know how good he would turn out to be. No matter what happens we are likely to get some of the absolutely best games in Starcraft 2 history.
Didn't MKP also 2-0 symbol in some other tournament though?
Man with the expection of group C, these all look INCREDIBLY scary
and even C is pretty scary. Byun is very underrated
Is anyone here extreamly impressed by Byun's play in general, he just seems ridiculously strong in all matchups, i'm predicting Byun and Genius to make it out of that group. As much as i love Naniwa.
Group B=Group of Death
Oh man, Group B is ridiculous. I think it's the craziest group of death I had ever seen.
That group just blew my mindhole.
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My predictions
Group A: LGIM_MVP LGIM_Seed
Group B: StarTale_Squirtle MarineKingPrime
Group C: Genius ByuNPrime
Group D: MVP_Dongraegu Slayers_Ryung
Seed and Ryung are pretty brave predictions. If it works out that way I'll be sure to give you props for it.
I wouldn't call the Ryung prediction brave. It's not totally unlikely that he would edge out Supernova and Nestea, provided DRG wins both his games.
Ryung last in the group. Seems my doubts in him were justified. Seed did advance though, so good prediction there. :)
The fact that Ryung has to play DRG first really reduces his chances. I just don't feel like Ryung has the consistent amazingness to go deep into code S. He does have consistent....consistency, but that won't save him vs Supernova's multi-pronged attacks, Nestea's planning, or DRG's hax. I have nothing against Ryung though, and I won't be sad if he advances.
They will most likely all lose to DRG if they meet him (obviously only 2 of them will get to meet him if he wins all his matches). I don't rate Supernova that highly and Ryung has pretty sick TvT. I think it will come down to a close Ryung vs Nestea. Probably in Nestea's favor but Ryung definitely has a chance.
I have a feeling that if Ryung loses and gets to play SuperNoVa then it will be fairly one-sided provided Ryung plays TvT like he used to (back when he used to beat out Bomber and Mvp TvT). I'd say NesTea holds the advantage against him but it's not impossible for him to win, especially if he plays like he did in the RO32.
I'm not sure if I understand exactly how the groups work but if they play out how I thought then I see this happening MVP>Taeja-Seed>Violet-MVP>Seed-Violet>Taeja-Seed>Violet Taeja might beat Violet but I see Seed beating Violet or Taeja.
DRG>Ryung-Supernova>Nestea-DRG>Supernova-Ryung>Nestea Ryung>Supernova
R08: 5T, 2P, 1Z.
Bold predictions I know. I was just so impressed with Ryung in RO32 so I had to put him over Nestea/supernova and I think Taeja is better than Violet. MKP over symbol because MKP.
Ryung may be good, but Nestea was picked dead last for a reason. Don't underestimate him.
Every match in Group B is gonna be a war. The fights will look like this: http://i.imgur.com/gmw4v.gif
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Overrated? If Symbol is overrated, the others players in his pool are overoverrated, so he has a chance.
omg do i see a NesTea VS DRG ZvZ incoming?
Easy Group for Naniwa!
I choked on my drink when I saw group B! All four of those people (IMO) deserve to move on and now two have to drop T.T not to mention I like all of those players.
I don't think MKP and MC deserve to advance (they are probably 2 of the most predictable players). I'm sure Symbol will advance, then probably Squirtle or MKP.
MKP and MC don't deserve to advance? They both won like 3 tournaments a piece this year?
MKP is the opposite of predictable, he can play almost every style. People say MC is predictable for his 2base/3base timings but hey if hes predictable why does he keep winning?
MC keep winning outside Korea... You can't compare Red Bull Lan format to GSL format. ;) And MKP is predictable because he plays super greedy and don't scout a lot. Watch Symbol vs MKP during Iron Squid, Symbol studied MKP style and beat him 3-0, it wasn't even close.
They deserve to advance if they play well enough to get out of their group.
I think that squirtle has proven since IPL4 that he's a monster- with artosis confirming he's coming up with a lot of the builds for startale that sort of completes the package until he gets a championship. Last season he was like 14-1 with MVP handing him his only other losses. The great thing in code S is that mechanics will only carry you so far without planning/strategy. I think the smartest players will make it to round of 8 but micro/luck/lots of heart shouldn't be underestimated.
TL;DR MVP, MKP, squirtle, DRG and nestea should advance.
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When MC is arguably the weakest player in the group you know something crazy is going on.
That looks awfully similar to BuggySC's post on another thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/vf6oc/s_genius_picks_naniwa_for_his_code_s_group_he/) "You know you have a good group when MC is the least likely to advance."
2 people thinking the same thing? impossib....
Haha sorry I didn't mean for that to sound negative, it just seemed like a coincidence that they sounded so similar and were posted at almost the same time.
In case this implies that I copied his comment, mine was posted at 07:16:54 UTC and his was posted at 07:23:54 UTC. So....yeah. Just a coincidence most likely.
Marineking and MC haven't performed very well in GSL lately, and Symbol is pretty new to the scene too. If you rank the groups by the amount of hype that each player has, then yes, group B is the toughest. I'd say that all of the groups contain players with the capability to take a GSL.
NaniWa VioLet and SEED are not capable of taking GSL.
Yea, someone who made Ro8 in his first GSL Code S tournament is certainly NOT capable of taking GSL at all.
I think Naniwa has a very slim shot, but a shot nonetheless. The brackets would have to line up for him, and with a little luck and a lot of practice he COULD pull it off.
Oz made the ro4 on his first run, back in mid 2011. He's come close to the finals numerous times, but everytime he got stopped in the semi's. Getting ro8 doesn't say shit about your ability to take an entire GSL.
That was over a year ago.
I feel a bit sorry for Squirtle and MC. Symbol's ZvP looked godly.
Symbol lost to Inca in the TSL qualifier, and Inca didn't even use DTs. Calm yourself.
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My thoughts exactly. It's SUPER scary. I have no clue on who's going to advance, but if i had to bet on it, i'd say Squitle and Symbol.
Group D is pretty dangerous as well, and here Dongraegu can try to prove that he's the best zerg in the world.
Yeah, I think Group D is impossible to predict. Ryung showed great skill in the Ro32. SuperNoVa is always kind of underrated despite making fantastic runs all the time and being very skilled (Note: he didn't actually get 3% in his group predictions for 2012 S2 like Artosis keeps saying, he actually got 33%, but that's because his group was fairly easy with B4, Seed, Genius). NesTea... well, he's NesTea. Will the new Zerg (dare I say) dominance + Mvp's 4th win propel him to be motivated as ever and prove that he still has it? And DRG -- well, he's on paper the best person in this group. I'm sure he'll advance, but there's a small chance he won't.
I think it would be really fun to see nestea take this code s, just to even things out with mvp, but I'm just partial the interesting race of winning the most prestigious tournament in sc2 more times than the other. :x
Yeah, it's basically the group in this season's Ro32 with Symbol PartinG MKP YugiOh except YuGiOh was replaced by MC, PartinG by Squirtle.
A closest group I can think of to this one's deathy-ness is 2012 GSL Season 1 Ro16, with Genius MKP NesTea DRG (before MKP suddenly broke out)