So Nunu And Rammus still are not on par with the other aoe junglers. Thoughts?

So i was excited to see my 2 fave junglers were getting buffs in this patch and was anxious to try them out in ranked play. After about 6 games with each. Im coming to notice that they are still not really on par with the AOE junglers such as malph, Shyv, Noct, Naut, Mundo, Skarn, Ehh im not sure if im missing someone.

What they lack in clear time they still do not make up with gankabilty or damage.

I must say nunu is good for early dragons now. But other than that you have to be carried by your lanes during ganks. If your teams lane phases arent going well then you can pretty much consider yourself stuck and you will almost reverse snowball lol.

To be honest im not sure what the could do to help out nunu in the jungle. The only thing i can think of is if they were to buff his ad ratio. Or even if they were to cut the Attack speed On his blood boil by a quarter and add an ad buff.

What do you guys think about nunu and rammus' current situations? Lets face it nunu was pretty much the original jungler besides WW. And rammus dominated the jungle for a good part of season 1 and into season 2.