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2022 Italian GP FP2 top 5 telemetry and top 10 race sims: Ferrari close in quali, RBR has a decent pace advantage in race trim.

:post-statistics: Statistics

SAI v VER

  1. Top speed very similar between the 2 cars, just 4kph into T1, SAI had no tow, neither did VER, 4kph difference which is smaller than FP1 although Ferrari appears to be running more DF in FP2.
  2. Traction out of T2 still is an issue for Ferrari
  3. RBR is lower RPM and lower speed here, the reason is that VER had 2 cars on the outside of the right hander and couldn't use the whole track properly
  4. This top speed deficit here is due to traction out of the Lesmo corners
  5. Once again out of Ascari Ferrari is paying their rigidity on exit since cars here take a really good look at the kerb.
  6. RBR isn't pushing their engine too much here, or maybe they are running out of deployment a bit, but I would say the engine can probably go a bit harder.
  7. Here VER takes a later shift and loses a tiny bit at the end of the straight.

The relaxed 2 last straights lose some time for RBR but overall marginal, RBR superior traction will carry them.

SAI v LEC

  1. LEC on older tires (had to abort first lap due to oversteer/understeer, then due to red flag and finally the lap), so his braking point suffers compared to SAI. His S1 time here is much worse than what he did on mediums in the same session by 0.3s, not sure what changed between the medium tire run and the soft tire run.
  2. Again the tire issue means that LEC can only put down the throttle a bit later. Otherwise LEC's lap is faster than SAI except for the first corner where LEC suffers under braking, and actually through the whole session LEC and SAI went long a few times into T1.

SAI v NOR

  1. Top speed of NOR is pretty good, engine RPM is lower compared to what we'll see for RUS later. I think this is a very low DF McLaren with the engine turned down.
  2. Traction and speed in the Lesmo corners is what makes me believe it's lower DF than Ferrari.

SAI v RUS

  1. No more clipping like in FP1, as said earlier about NOR, the RPM of the Mercedes engine is higher here so the engine mode is probably equivalent between Ferrari and Mercedes.
  2. Braking performance into T1 is a bit worse, again a commonality with FP1 where early in the lap Mercedes has issues with braking.
  3. The lower DF wing from Mercedes is visible here where braking is worse even in other corners.
  4. Relaxed finish in the lap

I think they'll be closer come quali, and if they can deal with the balance RUS could be close to LEC in quali, but it seems if they fix speed they lose braking.

top 10 race sims

  • LEC had plenty of small mistakes in his race sim, his times looked consistent.
  • VER had a fast start of sim, then settled in low 1:26 with little deg, very long stint.
  • SAI and PER settled on a slower set of laps than VER by about 0.3s/lap
  • RUS pace on the softs was fairly bad, 1s/lap slower than LEC, would be interesting to know why
  • ALO massively consistent pace for a long stint, slightly slower than the Mercs, about 1s/lap slower than VER.
  • OCO on the hards showing the hard is maybe not the tire to go.
  • NOR has good tire degradation but slower on pace than this group, probably closing out the top 10 Sunday.
  • ALB is fairly slow.

VER still has good chance to win it Sunday, Ferrari doesn't look as bad as it was in the previous races though.

Posted Sep 9, 2022, 5:19 PM UTC

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crownlessdriver:ferrari: Ferrari•

Duchessa reported that Ferrari used higher engine modes than usual for FP2. This will get more interesting

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dialtoneOP:ferrari: Ferrari•

Nothing in the data suggests that this is true. Ferrari and RBR look to have the same engine mode.

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missle636:stoffel-vandoorne: Stoffel Vandoorne•

SAI v VER

  1. RBR is lower RPM and lower speed here, the reason is that VER had 2 cars on the outside of the right hander and couldn't use the whole track properly

I'm sorry but that sounds completely absurd? Curva Grande is basically a straight. The difference between the proper racing line and completely hugging the inside is not gonna be anywhere near 0.150s... I reckon the difference would only be mere hundreds, if not thousands of a second.

Wouldn't it make more sense that RB are simply running a lower engine mode compared to Ferrari? Explaining bullet points 3, 6 and 7 (i.e. the straights without DRS).

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dialtoneOP:ferrari: Ferrari•

Could be yes, but how come in the main straight and the straight after Lesmo 2 instead the engine reaches the same RPM?

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missle636:stoffel-vandoorne: Stoffel Vandoorne•

Maybe RB is using similar engine mode/deployment at those points? The program can be to only deploy at certain parts of the track and not others, right? Not gonna act like I know all the answers. The only thing I can tell though is that your comments at 3 (and, frankly, 7) make no sense. And just to completely squash 3: after looking back at the onboards, VER's line is not even compromised at all: VER fastest lap vs. SAI fastest lap.

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dialtoneOP:ferrari: Ferrari•

Why would 7 not make sense? Look at the shifts throughout the lap and they are super close to one another, that one instead is spaced out. Similarly it's spaced out in Curva Grande but it is tight after Lesmo 2.

IMHO This isn't engine mode, this is just VER taking it easy, slow upshifts are exactly what you do when you could go faster but you don't, nothing to do with engine modes though.

EDIT: also I didn't mean that the line from VER was compromised there, just that he had 2 cars to pass on the right and he may not have wanted to keep pushing in a practice lap as hard as he could have if he had been alone in curva grande.

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missle636:stoffel-vandoorne: Stoffel Vandoorne•

Ok, then it's VER shortshifting and not the engine mode. Kinda the same thing in terms of 'free' performance left on the table. Maybe the two even go together?

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Soocoox•

Amazing. Where did you get al this data from?

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dialtoneOP:ferrari: Ferrari•

FastF1 python library

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Significant_Nobody33:pirelli-intermediate: Pirelli Intermediate•

Is it too late for El Plan to unfold?

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The-WildInfernos:sebastian-vettel: Sebastian Vettel•

Yep, Ferrari will be close in Quali only for RB to run away with it on Sunday. What’s new?

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Zeze1979:formula-1-2018: Formula 1•

Thank you for this !

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