I’m thinking about building a [[Reyhan, Last of the Abzan]] & Yoshimaru, Ever Faithful commander deck, but I’m already seeing some complicated math with counters so I’m curious how this would play out.
In a situation where I would control [[Lae’zel, Vlaakith’s Champion]], [[Master Chef]], [[Conclave Mentor]] and [[Corpsejack Menace]] and I cast Reyhan, how many counters does he ETB with?
Posted Oct 2, 2022, 6:43 PM UTC
In this case, to maximize the number of counters put on Reyhan this way as it enters the battlefield:
See C.R. 616.1, 616.2, 122.6. (In the case of Master Chef, this assumes that Reyhan is a "commander creatur[e] you own".)
See also:
So in this case the three add abilities each give one, then corpsejack multiplies that to 6 and with Reyhan’s own ability he would enter with 9 total.
Follow up question, does Corpsejack effect Reyhan’s ability to enter with 3 counters, doubling that to 6? Or because Reyhan says “enters with” instead of “put” does it not apply?
So in this case the three add abilities each give one, then corpsejack multiplies that to 6 and with Reyhan’s own ability he would enter with 9 total.
Not exactly. Reyhan's first ability would make it enter with three +1/+1 counters, but your scenario has numerous other effects that change this number.
Follow up question, does Corpsejack effect Reyhan’s ability to enter with 3 counters, doubling that to 6?
Yes. But in your scenario, other replacement effects are also involved, so you can effectively choose the order that Corpsejack Menace's effect and those other effects apply (C.R. 616.1, 616.2). For examples of replacement effects, see subrules of C.R. 614.1.
For purposes of Corpsejack Menace (and Lae'zel and Conclave Mentor), putting counters on an object includes—
"putting counters on that object while it's on the battlefield", regardless of what verb is used to refer to that action (whether "put", "move" [C.R. 122.5], "double" [C.R. 701.9e], "give", or some other verb), and
the case of "an object that's given counters as it enters the battlefield" (e.g., "enters the battlefield with ... counters")
(C.R. 122.6).
Is Yoshimaru already on the Battlefield? Or, not?
Because, Chef grants the abilities to the Commander Creatures, and if your Commander Yoshimaru is on the Battlefield, that's another Replacement effect to consider...
But, there are 2 (3?) Replacement effects looking to modify that; Reyhan's (+3), Reyhan's Chef (+1) and (?) Yoshimaru's Chef (+1)
You choose one to apply... Reyhan's (+3).
Now, there are 5 (6?) Replacement effects looking to modify that; Reyhan's Chef (+1), Lae'zel (+1), Mentor (+1), Menace (x2) and (?) Yoshimaru's Chef (+1).
You keep applying them, one at a time. Then checking back to see how many remain, until there are none left.
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Reyhan, Last of the Abzan - (G) (SF) (txt)
Lae’zel, Vlaakith’s Champion - (G) (SF) (txt)
Master Chef - (G) (SF) (txt)
Conclave Mentor - (G) (SF) (txt)
Corpsejack Menace - (G) (SF) (txt)
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