The election forecast and it being this close means it never happened. FYI Gilead was also "tough on crime"

The election forecast and it being this close means it never happened. FYI Gilead was also "tough on crime"

Posted Nov 5, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

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earthisadonuthole•

I can’t believe what the polls are saying. How are people still not fucking voting?!

Edit: my hope is that there will be a surge on Election Day but oof.

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iHeartHockey31•

Polls cant predict how newly registered voters will vote or how people yoo busy to take polls will vote. They lose accuracy when crazy & personality become political factors.

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maxToTheJOP•

Remember that theory later this week.

I hope to be proven wrong though

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maxToTheJOP•

Edit: my hope is that there will be a surge on Election Day but oof.

My hope is too and hopefully anyone who hasnt voted will (and registered to vote when they needed to) but at this rate even the dems beating the polls case means losing part of Congress

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tarahunterdar•

I have a theory (maybe I am gullible as well) that there isn't a red surge in the polls. I seriously wonder if the polling data isn't being stretched to provide more of a close race excitement type of deal. No one wants to tune in to a one slide landslide.

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earthisadonuthole•

I definitely think polls are skewed since younger people are less likely to participate. But they also factor in early voting and new registrations which are both not where we’d like them to be.

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tarahunterdar•

*skeptical look*

You mean to tell me younger people aren't going to care mightily about reproductive rights, lack of healthcare, housing, and high prices pushing them further in debt? I think that is the opposite of "meh, it wont matter if I vote."

If anything, I think its the elder crowd who may not be as motivated as they have what they want

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12rjc12•

Polls are worthless. It's way too easy to select the people polled to get exactly the result you are looking for.

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maxToTheJOP•

Its even easier to ignore all data is invalid and pretend everything is fine.

This data should be motivating out there to show up harder instead of denying data

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12rjc12•

Definitely not saying everything is "fine"! Just saying "data" is very easily skewed to what ever conclusion you're looking for.

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maxToTheJOP•

Thats the key difference. GOP voters view being down in the polls as a rallying cry while Dem voters view it as a reason to crumble. Thats why they keep winning .

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20_oz•

Polls are dumb

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The_Hyphenator85•

Polls are archaic and inherently skewed because of societal changes. A 2020 study out of Berkeley showed that election polls are 95% confident but only 60% accurate, meaning that while polling outlets are confident that their polls have an accuracy of 95%, in reality only 60% of all poll results successfully predict election outcomes within their margin of error. In point of fact, those margins of error would need to be twice as large as they actually are to achieve that 95% success rate.

https://psyarxiv.com/rj643

The reasons for this are still highly debated. Conventional wisdom suggests that polling results are skewed because more and more often, people don’t have landlines, and the only people who still do fall within older age demographics which skew more conservative, meaning poll results via phone skew more conservative, since pollsters don’t cold-call cell phones.

However, this doesn’t account for everything, since numerous poll outlets like the Pew Research Center have long since moved onto online polling. This makes it difficult to tell what the skew there is, since the method by which they reach out to poll respondents could drastically change their demographics, even if they try to control for a representative sample. Additionally, the wording of poll questions can drastically alter outcomes in ways pollsters may not predict. Poll outlets themselves debate this, but then again, they’re far from as accurate as they think they are, so that needs to be taken with a heaping helping of salt.

Bottom line, it could go either way. Statistically, the party that has the incumbent president tends to lose the midterm elections overall and control of the Legislative shifts to the other party. However, that adage applies to historical circumstances, and these are not traditional political times. The divide between the two major parties has rarely been so stark, perhaps not since the Civil War, and the USSC overturning Roe was galvanizing for a lot of people.

Personally, at this point, I don’t see this conflict being resolved democratically. The system is just too skewed and broken, and we don’t really have an opposition party of the sort we’d need to fight an extremist party like the Republicans; despite the gulf between them, the Democrats are closer to the GQP from a practical standpoint than we’d like to admit. They spent too long trying to play politics as usual, not realizing that their opponents are playing a completely different game by completely different rules, and while they appear to have woken up to that reality, they did so far too late.

I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but I think this is all going to end in blood and violence. Just looking at historical patterns both recent and more distant, I don’t see how this all comes to a peaceful resolution. We probably could have achieved that, but the necessary work would have to have been put in many years ago, and the opportunity has passed because our leadership ignored history in favor of short-term gains.

With any luck, the more intelligent side will win out and fix the necessary issues to give our descendants a chance to avoid the same mistakes. But I believe that is our only way forward at this point. Still going to vote in the faint hope of averting that outcome, but I don’t really believe it’s possible at this point. It’s time to prepare for the inevitable however we can.

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Just vote and get your friends to vote. Knock on doors if you're still stressing. We won't know until next weekend after the votes are counted.

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pornomonk•

For some reason the polls tend to be accurate, but only when those polls favor Republicans.

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wes7946•

Just because there is a pro-choice uproar from the Left does not mean that the vast majority of individuals are pro-choice. According to Gallup, 49% of respondents identify as "pro-choice" while 47% of respondents identify as "pro-life." Asking the public to describe "how most Americans feel about abortion," Gallup also discovered that 51% of respondents feel the public is mostly "pro-choice" while 35% of respondents feel the public is mostly "pro-life." This general perception that the pro-choice viewpoint prevails contrasts with the nearly even division of actual views.

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When specifically asked, most Americans are pro choice

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maxToTheJOP•

All of that was true when redditors were guaranteeing a backlash. Even now with days to the election and all the data against them they are still saying the polls are wrong

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maxToTheJOP•

Women are 50% of the electorate. This cant happen without a lot of women deprioritizing abortion issues.

It was part of the GOP strategy to use crime to difuse Roe v Wade

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-hopes-tough-crime-message-defuses-abortion-backlash-suburban-women

and it is apparently working like a charm

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/us/politics/crime-midterms-ballot-democrats.html

Thats what the line about "Gilead was also tough on crime" was alluding to. The success of that strategy

Lots of Democrats secretly as well.

This is basically "Democrats secretly hate women so they secretly vote Republican" which needs unpacking

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maxToTheJOP•

But its mostly centrists women who were able to be diffused using "tough on crime" rhetoric who were the people who claimed that they would "backlash" and now didnt show up.

Right wing women never claimed to be against Roe v Wade being overturned. They have always been baked into GOP support.

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