Hive Death
reddit.com/gallery/yujno0Posted Nov 14, 2022, 12:22 AM UTC
Posted Nov 14, 2022, 12:22 AM UTC
Varroa.
Probably Varroa cuz they have food won’t be starving
Hey, I'm FAR from an expert but I think mites are a big cause of collapse this te.of year in NA.
If you think you might be okay on the mite front I believe you could take the remaining 10% of bees and condense them down in to a much for the winter and if the queen is there...hope for the best.
I guess my question would be when was the last time you opened them up? Sorry if you answered this but seems you did a sugar shake? I didn’t catch the numbers but I agree with other beeks here this looks like collapse from varroa. The brood doesn’t have help and food from bees because they either know they are sick and leave or sacrifice themselves. This is likely ok to use again after some time in a freezer. At least 48 hours. If you can get all that brood out. I don’t know if I would give new bees the equipment with the brood in it.
OP hasn't said whether they checked for varroa or how it was done. They did ask how to prevent this (almost certainly) varroa-related collapse from recurring. In my response, I indicated that they should monitor mite levels on an ongoing monthly basis, relying on alcohol wash instead of sugar shakes or sticky boards, as both of these methods are substandard.
This was a presumptive response, based on the likelihood that if a colony winds up like this one, the attending beekeeper has either failed to treat at all or is operating on wildly inaccurate mite counts that do not expose the ineffectiveness of the treatments applied.
If OP gives these frames to a healthy colony, the bees will very quickly clear it of dead brood.
After dealing with wildfire smoke and wasps my hive appeared to be ok and healthy. I wasn't able to check because of covid for a while, and when I had I found 90% of my colony outside of the hive dead. This is my first hive and I don't know all of the signs of death. My brood still had larve in cells and looks like they had frame for honey so I don't think they starved. I'm not positive if the white stuff in some of the cells are from mites or not.
The white stuff is mite poop. The remnant of spotty, unhatched brood is also distinctive, as is the timing in September/October/November, and the presence of honey stores, and the sudden, unexpected decline from an apparently bustling colony to dead or missing bees.
This is a deadout from parasitic mite syndrome. Runaway varroa caused this.
Best course of action now kind of depends on your goals and climate. I'd need to freeze everything to kill beetle and moth eggs, then harvest any honey I want, then put everything in a clean, dry container. A really big trash bag with the neck knotted shut would do.
This intact comb is like gold for a new colony in the spring, so you want to keep it if you can. The honey is, too, but it's also tasty and can easily be harvested as chunk comb after you freeze it.
It looks like your frame of honey there is actually foundationless, so you could also just use a sharp, thin knife to take it in one big slab, provided it's all or mostly capped honey on the other side, too.
I was really hoping to be able to save all the comb for next year's hive as a jump start so that's great news I can save it. How can I prevent them in the future?
Monthly alcohol wash to track mite level on an ongoing basis. When mites are above your area's economic threshold ( ~2% in most places) timely and effective mite treatment.
Avoid sugar shakes for mite tracking. Avoid reliance on sticky boards for it. They aren't accurate; experienced beeks can wring actionable data from them but you aren't an experienced beek.
I'd you don't know how to do alcohol washes, you can buy a sample kit from Mann Lake for 20-30 bucks. Fill it with rubbing alcohol, or you can use dish soap and water, or windshield wiper fluid. The University of Guelph's beekeeping extension program has great videos on how to do it on YouTube.
Effective mite treatment methods are highly varied. There are some very skilled beeks who don't use chemical treatment and instead use resistant stock with a variety of integrated pest management techniques. This eats up a lot of time and effort, and requires a level of knowledge and skill that many (most, really) hobby beeks never attain.
Most long-term successful beeks test often, treat early and rotate between two or three chemical mite treatments. Exact choices depend on your climate and local nectar flow dynamics.
I'm a newbie Beek as well. How do you know the white stuff is mite waste vs larvae remains after a pesticide exposure?
Mostly, I know it's mite waste because it's November, OP is an American, and literally everything else about this situation fits the profile for a deadout caused by parasitic mite syndrome. It would literally be appropriate for a textbook.
But if you want me to do a differential diagnosis, then I guess I can oblige you.
It's theoretically possible that this was a pesticide kill, if OP lives someplace where there's heavy agricultural activity for some kind of cool weather tolerant crop like spinach, certain brassica species, etc., combined with an extremely mild climate.
And even if OP is in such an area, there'd need to be something flowering near the aforesaid crops. And in November, that's basically not happening. Bees generally do not crawl around licking up moisture from non-flowering plant life. It's autumn, the last flush of stuff like goldenrod is finished, and in most parts of the USA there's no longer anything blooming. We're now in the winter dearth.
Sometimes, you also see pesticide-related kills if you live near someone who uses pesticides to control mosquito or tick populations in their yard. But again, it's November, and OP is an American. This is not the right time of year for that to make sense.
All of this militates against this deadout being pesticide-related. And there are various signs and symptoms present here that would not be normal and expected for a pesticide kill.
Looking at the pics OP has provided, we are short of any other plausible explanations. There are pollen and honey stores at hand, so it's not starvation, and it's definitely not a case of this colony having been robbed of its stores by a stronger neighbor. The comb is all intact, and after a robbing incident it's ragged and crumbled.
If it were something like foulbrood, OP would have noticed and talked about a horrific stench, and we'd have already proceeded into a discussion about how to confirm EFB/AFB infection, whom to notify, what to do about it, and so on.
It's way early for this to have been nosema; that's mostly a springtime problem (although it can happen at other times of the year). And in any case there's no indication that the bees in this colony suffered dysentery.
So having ruled out all these other things, we have a list of signs and symptoms.
All of these numbered points of interest are distinctive signs and symptoms of a condition known as Parasitic Mite Syndrome (PMS). It is caused by several factors in concert. All are mite-related.
It can be difficult and expensive, and usually is pointless to identify exactly which viral pathogens have infected a colony. Often, the symptoms look the same to humans in any case, and it's not like there are effective treatments for them.
What has happened to OP's colony here is EXTREMELY COMMON. This is exactly what mite infestations look like when they kill your bees. OP's is approximately the 6th such posting I have seen this fall. And if you hang around this subreddit for about a year, you'll see more next fall.
Wow, thank you for the thorough response! Well considered, indeed.
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