What really happened at Pearl Harbor?

I just wanna start by saying I don't know much about Pearl Harbor, and that's why I wanted to make this thread. I'm hoping to open up a discussion with people who have done the research on this!

The more I think about Pearl Harbor, the more it doesn't make sense. We had radar at the time, and the Japanese fighters would have had to fly across half of of the Pacific Ocean to reach Hawaii. How did nobody see them coming?

Also, why would Japan attack the US? It seems so random to just attack a one base that's so far away from the actual mainland of the country. It's not like it was gonna do anything else there than piss the US off.

Last but not least it seems like there are false flags that get us into every war: Cuba(attempted), Iran(attempted), Russia(attempted), Vietnam, and the Middle East- That's just off the top of my head.

If you have any good resources, please link them here!

Posted Nov 30, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

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PennDOT67•

They saw the planes on radar, but only from about 120 miles out (they had a range of less than 150 miles), the commanding officer of the radar station was brand new and didn’t effectively communicate this information but if he did the help would have been minimal. The Japanese planes were also flying from their absolute maximum distance, many assumed it was a suicide mission, in order to avoid being detected until the last moment.

Japan believed the US was gearing up for war in the Pacific and was going to deny them access to islands they needed for rubber and oil to continue their war in China. If that had actually occurred, Japan would have been totally screwed. The US Pacific fleet, the only instrument of force projection across the Pacific, was based in Pearl Harbor and critically crippling it would end the US’s ability to seriously contest Japan’s positions in the Pacific.

We have pretty strong first-hand accounts of what the Japanese did and why, the commander of the mission was an extremely prominent admiral of the Japanese navy who is well-documented coming up with the attack on Pearl Harbor and arguing for it against more conservative admirals and the army, who opposed it.

The closest to “False Flag” this can get, I think, is that the administration knew it was coming and didn’t adequately prepare. They did inform the military a Japanese attack was likely, though, so.

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Icepick823•

is that the administration knew it was coming and didn’t adequately prepare.

Japan did announce that they were going to attack, somewhere, at some time, since it was considered dishonorable to attack someone without any warning. US intelligence believed the attack would occur in SE Asia. No one ever considered that the Japanese would sail halfway across the Pacific. B y the time we realized that Pearl Harbor was a possible target, that warning arrived after the attack.

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DeadEndFred•

“The war was getting pretty close to this country. President Roosevelt was setting up the Pearl Harbor disaster, and had ordered our radar defenses let down at 7 o'clock every morning. History records that the Japs accepted this "opportunity'- to destroy most of the American Navy, made defenseless on orders from Washington.”

The Drug Story Morris A. Bealle, 1949

Dr. Emanuel Josephson writes:

“The China Medical Board was an important factor in the expansion and penetration of the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests in China and in the expansion of the Rockefeller Empire. The ruthlessness and the high profits involved in the split-penny market for "Oil for the Lamps of China" is related by Vera Teasdale, the wife of a Standard Oil official, in her book bearing that title. The Rockefeller interests more directly involved were the Vacuum Oil Co. (now the Socony Vacuum) and the Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey. The China Medical Board activities paved the way, together with a Standard Oil loan of fifteen million dollars, in 1914, for a partnership with the Chinese Government and the lease to Rockefeller's Standard Oil of mineral rights in Shensi and Chi Li provinces for a period of seventy-five years. These and other leases were the casus belli in the Japanese invasion of China. They were important factors in the train of events that led to Pearl Harbor, that cost the U.S. so heavily and profited the Rockefeller Empire so much.”** ^p.149-150

“This treachery suited the purpose of the Rockefeller-Soviet Axis perfectly. In the first place it turned the Japanese from attacking their natural and vulnerable enemy, Russia, and from seizing the Russian oil fields. Directly after World War I, U.S. and Allied troops had been used in conjunction with White Russian forces to shut the Japanese out of Siberia at the instance of the same Standard Oil interests, as their avowed policy, that was once again served by the activities of their IPR espionage agents. Secondly, by precipitating the attack on Pearl Harbor, these plotters had brought about the war between the U.S. and Japan that they had sought, through their agent Henry L. Stimson without success of President Hoover but with perfect success, of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. They succeeded in getting American troops to rescue the Standard Oil property in China that was being despoiled by the Japanese. They also insured the delivery of China and Asia to their Soviet ally, by eliminating Japan, the only power in the Orient that could block the way.

It might appear that in so doing the Rockefeller Empire would lose oil-concessions and reserves in the territories turned over to the Soviets. But there is considerable evidence that the long-standing a-greement on the subject of oil between the members of the Rockefeller-Soviet Axis is the strongest bond that ties them together. The Kremlin took over the Standard Oil concessions from China, after it had been betrayed to the Chinese Communists by the activities of the IPR and other agents of the Rockefeller Empire, in and out of the State Department and the U.S. Government. The Kremlin specifically required that the terms of the concessions that it received from the Chinese should be absolutely identical with those given the Standard Oil companies. This makes it hard to escape the conclusion that the Kremlin was acting as an agent of the Rockefeller Empire in taking over the concessions, and that such action is one of the basic terms of the Rockefeller-Soviet Axis accord.” ^p.224-225

“Marshall served as a pliant tool of the conspirators in engineering the betrayal of our country into involvement in World War II without a declaration of war by Congress, and in the tragedy of Pearl Harbor. He has acknowledged that he deliberately withheld from the commanders at Pearl Harbor intelligence, that was available well in advance, of Japan's plans to attack it, and that he had ordered them to alert only for sabotage. In other words, Marshall has confessed to sabotage of the defenses of the nation in time of war. Men have been executed as traitors for lesser offenses and derelictions. Twenty-five hundred men and a fleet were sacrificed in the Pearl Harbor deal. The role played by the crew of the Institute of Pacific Relations in this has yet to be revealed in its entirety.

Strange indeed was the tale that Marshall told Congress of not knowing where he was on the eve of the attack on Pearl Harbor, at a time when he knew that the nation was in grave danger. But this defection obviously suited the purposes of the conspirators.” ^p.293

“On the day of his inauguration vainglorious Franklin Delano Roosevelt told his friends, in an expansive moment, that he wanted to be a wartime president. He was compelled to delay his war because Japan was not prepared to fight us, and Congress was not in any mood to declare a war. Public opinion had been aroused against war by one of the typical Communist "peace" propaganda campaigns that was actively financed by the Rockefeller interests, and was intended to lull the U.S. into complete disarmament.

The first obstacle was surmounted by the Rockefeller-Soviet Axis by American-planned and financed rearmament of Japan, in which the Standard Oil companies played a significant role. After the Panay incident, the Rockefeller interests made the Mitsuis their exclusive agents in Japan and conquered territory in Asia. The second impediment was overcome by Roosevelt and his fellow conspirators, as pointed out by Charles A. Beard in his work, President Roosevelt And The Coming Of The War, and by the author in The Strange Death Of Roosevelt, by goading Japan into attacking the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. In this treachery, as has been related, Rockefeller's Institute of Pacific Relations played the dominant role. This was the reason for the delay in the Japanese war for which Roosevelt hankered so long.

In the meantime, Roosevelt very materially aided the Rockefeller Empire in bringing on the war between Germany and England by engineering the upbuilding of the Nazi Party in Germany and inducing the British to enter World War II after the invasion of Poland, for the purpose of smashing both of the other Empires. How little Roosevelt was interested in the fate of Poland is demonstrated by his subsequent sell-out of the Poles to Stalin. But they were for him as good a pretext as any for bringing on the war that he sought to immortalize himself. Jesse Jones, in his book, Fifty Billion Dollars, confirms my earlier statement that Roosevelt deliberately sought, instigated and precipitated World War II.” ^p.363

“To accomplish the destruction of Japan, it was necessary to bring the American Army to the rescue of their property in China. But it would have been futile for the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests to ask Congress to declare war on Japan because it was destroying their property in China. ^p.383-386

Rockefeller “Internationalist” The Man Who Misrules the World Emanuel M. Josephson, M.D., 1952

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fakesoicansayshit•

Amazing. Again the usual suspects did it for oil, money, and power.

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It was mostly peaceful, it was a normal tourist visit in Hawaii

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After_Print1951•

Peaceful bombings are safe and effective.

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Leading_Metal8974•

Wars can be devastating and cost millions of lives... Here's why that's a good thing.

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After_Print1951•

WE MAKE MONEY!!!! BITCHES LOLOL 🤡

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SigmundFloyd76•

They knew the attack was coming and let it happen so as to engineer attitudes.

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bunkermonster•

Many people suspect this, the "Back door to war" theory.

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SigmundFloyd76•

I recall that it was clear. Eisenhower knew. There were reports and testimony from witnesses who claimed they had intercepted the info and had reported up the chain of command only to be told later to keep quiet.

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panzer23•

Eisenhower was chief of staff at fort Sam Houston in Texas. He would not have known about this attack if it was known.

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DeadEndFred•

More info from Dr. Emanuel Josephson:

“They did, however, make an effort to get the U.S. to declare war on Japan in the early 1930's. When Roosevelt proposed launching the Rockefeller Crusade on Japan, shortly after his inauguration, at his first full Cabinet meeting, he was talked out of an immediate declaration of war as unwise, by his counsellors. Even their numerous agents in Congress could not afford to vote for a war on such grounds. To avoid committing political suicide, they would have to reply: "Go fly your own kite."

If, however, Japan could be induced to attack the U.S.— that would be a different story. To accomplish this purpose, it was imperative that the American public have no suspicion of the significance to the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests of Japan's aggression on China; and they never were told.

Through their control of the Navy and the Government, they were able to prevent any leaks from these sources. When Admiral Yarnell, Commander of the Panay, threatened to return to the United States and tell the American public of the indignity of the United States Navy being used as a convoy for tankers, he was retired; and learned better than to open his mouth on the subject.

The appointment of Joseph Grew, nephew of John Pierpont Morgan, as Ambassador to Japan was dictated. The plan was to induce the Japs to attack the United States. Grew rapidly earned for himself the name of "friend of Japan." He was of invaluable assistance in aiding their armament. Standard Oil literally poured oil into Japan. Wright Aeronautical and other aviation manufacturers built plants and supplied unlimited numbers of engines and planes. American munitions flowed into Japan in a steady stream. Literally all the scrap on the American market, including the Sixth Avenue El of New York City, were shipped into Japan. The United States generously supplied Japan with everything she needed for war.

Despite the growth of her armaments, Japan could not screw up sufficient courage to attack the United States. The conspirators were impatiently waiting and working to bring about an attack on the United States that would force Congress to declare officially the war that Roosevelt already was waging unofficially. Admiral Richardson, who was Chief of Staff of the Pacific Command, testified before a Senate investigating committee that President Roosevelt had expressed the wishful thought, at a White House luncheon, October 8, 1940, that "the Japanese sooner or later would make a mistake and we would enter the war." Promptly thereafter, Admiral Richardson protested once again the splitting of the Pacific Fleet and stationing it at Pearl Harbor, which had been done against his advice, in view of the intent expressed by Roosevelt to take steps leading to active hostili- ties. When Admiral Richardson insistently urged preparing the Pacific Fleet to protect itself, he was relieved of his command and replaced by Admiral Kimmel. The Navy deliberately was barred by Roosevelt from preparing for war.

Rockefeller's Institute of Pacific Relations agents working under Sorge precipitated the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that the conspirators sought in order to bring the U.S. into the war. The IPR's agents, Agnes Smedley and Guenther Stein, collaborated with Richard Sorge, Soviet master spy in Japan, in diverting the attack the Japanese were preparing to make on their rational foe, the Soviets, from the Soviet Union to the U.S. and the British. So successful was their work that as early as October 1941 the conspirators knew that the Japanese definitely planned an attack on Pearl Harbor.

"At the instance of his bosses, Roosevelt followed his childhood yearning to play with warships and naval warfare. He took over, indirectly, command of the Pacific Fleet. Roosevelt did everything that might be calculated to induce the Japs to attack the fleet at Pearl Harbor. He stationed the vessels within the Harbor, where they could be bottle-necked and could not possibly be defended. He ordered disregard of any and all warnings of danger and attack that were picked up.

"The Japanese were told in effect: 'Destroy the United States Fleet at Pearl Harbor, and you have won the war at the start'. In the meantime, the Japanese who itched to attack were goaded to fury in the field of diplomacy.

"This deliberate plan to induce the Japanese to attack the United States was common knowledge in diplomatic circles, but it has been regarded as a breach of "ethics" to mention it. But Capt. Oliver Lytteton, Minister of Production in Winston Churchill's wartime cabinet, stated before Parliament on July 20, 1944:

'Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history to say that America was forced into the war.'

"This is the import of a statement made by Eleanor Roosevelt, as usual sharper in tongue than in wit, in an interview given Kathleen McLaughlin, published in New York Times Magazine, October 8, 1944: 'December 7, was just like any other D-Day to us. We clustered at the radio and waited for more details—but it was far from the shock it proved to the country in general. We had expected something of the sort for a long time.'

"Her statement is exceptionally significant. D-Days are known in advance to the high command. This D-day was known beyond any question to Roosevelt and his entourage. Roosevelt had on his desk many hours before the attack, a decoded message sent by the Japanese to their envoys in Washington, known as the "East Wind Rain" radiogram, which stated that Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor on the following day. But he deliberately betrayed the nation and its defenders and failed to warn them. On the contrary, they were under orders to disregard outside danger signals.

"This means that the rulers and their pawn, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, had courted and precipitated a Jap attack, then deliberately withheld the warning from the armed forces and prevented them from defending themselves. Why? For eight long years the conspirators had worked, prayed and waited for the attack. They would not risk its miscarriage or effectiveness. The motto of the conspirators might have been: 'Oil is thicker than blood.'

"It was not their own blood that was shed and for them the price was cheap, the blood of 2500 men and a fleet of battleships paid for by the American people. The lives meant nothing to them. The jeopardy in which they deliberately placed the nation was, as usual, of little concern to the internationally entrenched scoundrels." (The Strange Death of Franklin Delano Roosevelt pp. 233-5.)

Rockefeller “Internationalist” The Man Who Misrules the World Emanuel M. Josephson, M.D., 1952

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Verilbie•

They didn't fly half way across the Pacific. They flew from carriers relatively close to pearl harbour.

Why pearl harbour? That's where the US Pacific fleet was mainly based and Japan relied upon inflicting a crippling blow against it to be able to win a decisive battle against the US which was their entire theory for how to force a peace and get back access to US industrial resources they needed to fight thr war in China

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After_Print1951•

I’m not the most well versed on this but from what I remember we knew about the attacks and let them happen so we could get into the money/power machine that is WW2. It’s even argued by some that we pushed the Japs to attack us.

Check out Albert Pikes visions of 3 major world wars. It is very insightful.

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Leading_Metal8974•

Roosevelt knew of the attack beforehand. Plus other US bases were attacked beforehand such as in Guam. The US leaders wanted to be involved in the war and needed the people's support. A devastating attacking at pearl harbor was that excuse. No defense was prepared. If fact, vessels were basically lined up for increased destruction.

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torkarl•
  1. The strategy of Japan was to take as much of the islands of the Pacific (including Hawaii), fortify those islands, and force the US Navy to expend all their resources trying to pick off these "fortress" islands. They implemented that to the end of the war - Iwo Jima for example.

  2. Japan knew they had to maximize their first battles for their strategy to win decisively. At Pearl Harbor, they did damage but the US Aircraft Carriers were (conveniently) out at sea. Much worse, the Japanese lost the battle of Midway. After that the leadership knew it was over. They kept fighting, but hoping for a miracle.

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realMartianJesus•

As for why, simple the usa stopped selling them oil. Pearl harbour housed a lot of the pacific fleet it wasnt just randomly chosen. There is no conspiracy relating to the attack itself. However, the usa knew the attack was going to happen but didnt take any precautions. Thats a conspiracy.

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Alexandertheape•

they woke up a “sleeping giant”

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Got to test their new Nukes.

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ForcedCheckMate•

Bro just open Wikipedia

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After_Print1951•

“Bro just check the official narrative!”

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jvcs123•

He wants to know what really happened . Wikipedia is what they say happened.

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wai_o_ke_kane•

...so they comes to a conspiracy sub to find out what "really happened". Yikes.

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