Does anyone find Kyrzael insanely broken?

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It is an unconditional Jatelant, it deals 5 damage to face, heals 2, summon a strong board, draws two cards and deals with the enemy board.

WTF is this? It does everything, there is no reason to not put it in every portal deck and not play it on turn 7 every time.

Posted Dec 23, 2022, 8:19 PM UTC

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Tiago460Tiago o Duelista•

Turn 7-8 is were games ends for a fuckton of decks, so not really a big deal.

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ImperialDaneLatham•

Except it doesn't banish, heal is neglible and you are not summoning other big followers.

They could also just run Orchis, which they currently do anyways and which also puts in a lot of face damage and has a bit more utility before turn 6.

I am not denying this guy is good. But i can't help but feel you're overlooking some of the key elements of what made Jatelant good (which were before the nerf, afterwards.. less so).

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Homicidal_HotSGinsetsu•

Post nerf Jatelant was meh anyway. Plus it healing 6 is a big deal compared to 2, 2 healing is pretty w/e. Banishes are obviously really good compared to destroy as well

there is no reason to not put it in every portal deck and not play it on turn 7 every time.

Pretty sure none of the portal decks of the current expansion would ever consider him besides the machina calamity meme deck.

He's worthless in arti and too slow in puppet

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DemonSlayerV7OP•

I think it is perfect for puppet, there are many games where you struggle with Power plays in the late game, this card provides better sustain and value.

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Homicidal_HotSGinsetsu•

The deck does not need sustain and value. It doesn't beat control decks in late game anyway and vs. faster decks you want faster openers

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Mattia_7Morning Star•

Tbh you Will mostly pull him with gullias for otk

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Honeymuffin69•

I think it's also worth considering that this guy is a dead card until late game. No accel or crystalize, or lower cost with full power at 7 enhance or whatever.

That's a pretty big deal to consider when trying to judge power level. When I first read this card I didn't really think what he did is too out there or over tuned. Cards are only as broken or crap as the rest of the cards are relative to them, and we can't judge the set yet.

Will be pretty funny if he does turn out broken, you can then say I told you so.

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IgneisysMorning Star•

I think if given the option ppl would rather chose to use Melody spell on Kyrzael to BR it to prep for turn 7 Gulias instead to rez it back along with Bearminator and Warden of the Trigger. Having a 7pp brick isn't worth it if u can't set up lethal

Comparing this to prenerfed Jolly Elephant Man isn't even comparable.

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WeissrittersMorning Star•

It’s a brick, lategame cards like this without an accel needs a big effect to be worth playing.

Plus. By turn 7-8 games are ending anyway

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SceneRepresentative8Morning Star•

Tbf I think the portal gunner follower that makes your artifacts deal 2 on play is broken

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Codex28BTC Creator•

No

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xX_blackwing_XxThreo•

I don't think is broken, in fact i don't think is gonna be run too much. It doesn't have artifact synergy nor puppet synergy, also by turn 7-8 You are looking for game ending plays like a finisher or an OTK setup or an unresponseable board.

This card does nothing of it, also it doesn't have any accel or crystalize effect so it kinda bricks in your hand until seven.

Maybe a gimick deck will rise with it but i'll be just that, a gimick

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JinOtanashiMorning Star•

Honestly while I initially felt he was powerful the continuation of releases has made me rethink that, I still think they are very good with building a nice ward board and pushing some damage, but the potency is really going to be from being a part of a gullias OTK I feel

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FokionK1Lishenna•

Oh boy, what shall I do... Anyway, Skullfane, Gilnelise, Diamond Master, Wingy, evo, go face for a million damage and heal?

Jokes aside, my point is that there are so many combos from pretty much every deck that are impossible to play around that it does not really matter how much you can board clear/set up a board at this point, as it will just get cleared anyways.

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PhantomCheshireDisdainSpanker•

Sounds like any acceptable late game card in shadowverse to me.

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