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solinv

I'm not sure where else to post this but my GIRLFRIENDS shrink called HER a misogynistic pig and spent 5 minutes telling her how horrible she was.

This is a guy whose blatantly hit on her since she started seeing him. He used his position as therapist to try to convince her to break up with me. She lied to him to get him to stop. Since then he got even more aggressive.

She told me about how on her last visit they talked about a recent rape victim in the area. She said she had no sympathy for the girl because she was a dumbass for walking through an isolated area then an even more isolated path of forest at 3am. The girl saying this has been raped several times and the shrink is fully aware... Apparently her shrink found that horribly offensive. Saying the girl was a dumbass made my girlfriend a misogynist pig. Saying that people should not take basic safety precautions (that every sane person takes) made my girlfriend... someone who has been a victim of numerous horrific crimes... a 'victim blamer' in the eyes of her shrink.

I don't even know what to do. It just seems so fucked up.

Posted Sep 14, 2012, 1:37 AM UTC

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[deleted]•

She lied to him to get him to stop.

Why didn't she find a new therapist?

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MobileD•

It wouldn't be nearly as good of a story. Sorry, I'm cynical.

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[deleted]•

No, you're right; but, if you were seeing a therapist like the one described, would you stick around?

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[deleted]•

Maybe he's inexpensive? Kinda makes you wonder why...

Or maybe there aren't any others around if they're in a rural area?

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[deleted]•

inexpensive

He sounds very expensive, given that she's essentially paying for nothing and/or abuse.

rural area

This is reasonable, but I doubt it; it doesn't sound like he's particularly interested in helping people, which means he probably got into it because of the money; and, the money is not in rural areas.

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cthulufunk•

Me too, sadly. Lots of red flags here, first one being that it's off topic.

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solinvOP•

University insurance, university therapist.

'Murrica.

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[deleted]•

...if he's not a self employed therapist, and there is a school above him, why hasn't she complained? We complain here about false accusations, but that doesn't mean real ones shouldn't be filed.

Get her to bring an audio recording device of some sort (there's probably an app for this, haha), record the harassment, and then bring it to the proper authority. Tell her you'll go with her if she's nervous (to the authority, not the session); but, if she refuses to do so, for whatever reason, you should wonder why...

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oneiorosgrip•

This. Completely. Just as with being proactive to reduce the chance of an assault, your girlfriend can and should be proactive to prevent medical personnel from being abusive to her. If she is interested in making it stop, there are things she can easily do. If she is intent on tolerating it she may not be being honest with you about what is really going on.

In addition to talking to the school authorities, if your girlfriend's therapist is a psychologist, she can file an ethics complaint with the controlling authority. If you're in America, that's the American Psychological Association. If you're not, the controlling board's name will come up if you google "file a complaint against a therapist" with your country's name. A shrink who hits on patients is dangerous.

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pcarvious•

The therapist is violating a number of guidelines defining the relationship with him and his patients. Your girlfriend could easily have his license revoked.

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renasissanceman6•

She should have stopped going. She talks of safety precautions, well this guy has been sending red flags for awhile now.

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sandturtles•

She said she had no sympathy for the girl

This is probably what made the shrink mad. Saying that you have no sympathy for a rape victim is a pretty shitty thing to say regardless of context.

That aside, a psychologist should not be saying that sort of thing to a client. It's really inappropriate and unprofessional.

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VerdantSepulcher•

yeah, even I have reservations about not having sympathy, but I do think it's pretty dumb. Cime happens. Might as well not be the victim just simply by not being in the wrong place and the wrong time.

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DejaBoo•

If true:

  • Your GF should stop seeing the Fucktwad immediately
  • Your GF should contact your local State's Grievance Board (assuming USA).
  • Your GF should file a Grievance. It is ILLEGAL to seek and/or have sex with a client (PERIOD).

That is sexual harassment -- person of authority seeking sexual favors. As far as victim blamer, consider the source! The guy is complete and utter tool and should not even be practicing.

Now, I have to a bit of disclaimer here. This is assuming you have accurate information. I have no reason to disbelieve you or your girlfriend, there are plenty of unethical therapists/psychiatrists. However, I have personally witnessed too often how the chain of communication becomes quite shockingly misconstrued or false. For example, have you heard the term borderline personality disorder brought up concerning your girlfriend (not trying to be blame the victim all over again, again here)? I only ask that as in something to think about for the community at large and to interject that some populations have a habit of making a bit of mountainous drama out of nothing for very good therapists out there as well.

Cheers everyone!

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solinvOP•

I agree totally. I've been trying to convince her of that to no avail. Obviously I can't take any action. It's a little complicated by the fact that she isn't exactly sane. BTW, your comment about BPD was dead on, she was diagnosed with an extremely severe version of it several years ago. Received therapy for a while then up and left (not discharged). Was close to better for a while (thats when I met her and dated her), but all of that collapsed when I took a job in another city with the idea of coming back together as soon as she could.

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DejaBoo•

I don't envy your position and now you confirmed a diagnosis I am hesitant to believe "how true" the claims are. They still can be, but this population is known for their "difficulties" and over dramatize to create conflict that does not exist -- sorry. Especially about the comments about sexual advancements and such I highly doubt now. I wouldn't be surprised a male therapist with such female population has all sessions video recorded for obvious reasons.

Here's a link for some help. I don't know how close the two of you are, maybe you can ask to be visit the therapist and if so bring up the accusations she has told you. If you do, you need to that with tact of course and I cannot offer you that via the internet without knowing you and your circumstances. However, such an intervention could be a very progressive step for the both of you and for her own therapy if she is seeing a competent therapist. To be honest, if you even mention the idea in passing she will probably shoot it down because she will likely want to keep control the lines of communication and maintain the ability to keep enabling her disorder.

http://bpdfamily.com/tools/articles6.htm

Cheers.

TL;DR BPD are like drug dependents, they tend to have a moody relationship with therapists because they call them on their shit and likely don't want other people to learn this "trade" as well. In short, they whine and bitch to you about us even though they are benefiting from therapy and keep returning (actions speak louder than words).

disclaimer this is from the hip, not my area of specialty EVER! I recognize them and refer them onto those who specialize ASAP!

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The_Patriarchy•

This is a guy whose blatantly hit on her since she started seeing him. He used his position as therapist to try to convince her to break up with me. She lied to him to get him to stop. Since then he got even more aggressive.

This sounds like it should be an ethics violation. She should look into filing a complaint with the APA:

http://www.apa.org/ethics/complaint/index.aspx

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solinvOP•

He blatantly asked her how she felt about ethics violations extremely recently...

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friestogo•

Well, I think most of us here would agree that it is insensitive to have no sympathy for rape victims, regardless of circumstance. And calling your girlfriend a victim blamer seems like a normal response. However, calling her a misogynistic pig is unprofessional, to put it mildly. Even more outrageous are the alleged advances that he has made on her, which if true, is clearly malpractice and could easily file a complaint or look into legal proceedings.

However, you only have your girlfriends word that these things have been happening. And a psychologist abusing his position like this is a very serious charge. For one, if he tried to get your girlfriend to break up with you, and put the moves on her, then why the fuck would she ever go back? Why wouldn't you try and stop it from happening?

Assuming this is all true, of course.

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SigmaMu•
  1. You are kind of fucking up as a bf by continuing to let her see this guy
  2. She could possibly file a sexual harassment suit, or at the verry least get this guy fired.
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RoninUnderground•

Have her use an audio recording app if she has a smart phone and record sessions and take it to the police. That shit is fucked up.

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akrabu•

This isn't the movies. In the US at least, recording someone via audio without their permission is illegal.

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RoninUnderground•

Last I checked you only need one party's consent in Iowa (where I live). Sorry, I forgot to consider the possibility. Still, it puts her and other patients at serious risk if there's not much way to prove the shrink is a hazard. I think the OP should look into this for wherever they live.

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blueoak9•

That all depends on the state. It's illegal here in Washington but legal in a lot of states.

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cthulufunk•

Time to find a new therapist.

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rightsbot•

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akrabu•

This is utter shit. Fuck you OP!

I'd like to find everyone on r/mensrights who thinks that a rape victim is a dumbass for being raped and invite them to stop speaking for me.

False rape is one thing, a very real thing, but I must have missed the part where egalitarianism and counter-third-wave-femisism accepted victim blaming as an acceptable point of discourse.

Mods!? You are fucking up. This shit shouldn't be 3 hours old or acceptable. I'm reporting my comment so you see it. I encourage anyone else reading my comment to do the same. This is absolutely unacceptable and if victim blaming doesn't represent you as an egalitarian thinker, then you should report it too.

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callthebankshot•

What are you upset about? Has a post been removed?

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BenInBaja•

I think she's mad that the girlfriend didn't have sympathy for the rape victim so we shouldn't be allowed to talk about how fucked up that is.

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[deleted]•

She said she had no sympathy for the girl because she was a dumbass for walking through an isolated area then an even more isolated path of forest at 3am.

I have no sympathy for your girlfriend because she is an idiot who can't feel sympathy for someone who was physically and psychologically harmed of for making a bad choice.

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mikesteane•

Why would anyone continue to go to a therapist they have to lie to to get him to stop hitting on her? This is absurd. Your girlfriend has been a victim of 'numerous' horrific crimes? Sounds like women I have met who have been married several times and always to 'bad' men. Blind in one eye or what?

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Monkits•

It doesn't sound very therapeutic. That's all I can say.

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OThomson•

Get a new therapist.

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[deleted]•

This is a guy whose blatantly hit on her since she started seeing him.

for that reason, she should report him to the state psychologist licensing board.

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Key_Lime•

She needs to find a new therapist ASAP.

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[deleted]•

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Yes, it's well known that most mental health professionals enter the field in order to diagnose themselves.

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BenInBaja•

Your girlfriend sounds insane regardless how how fucking hot she is you should get the fuck away from her as quickly as possible. The fact that you haven't yet makes me question your sanity as well.

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electriophile•

Wait, what?

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BenInBaja•

The girl has been raped multiple times. That alone has got to fuck someone up and I wouldn't want to deal with that kind of craziness. In addition she's got a fucked up therapist and instead of finding a new one she just lies to him. This chick is crazy. If her boyfriend can't see that then I must assume that he's also insane.

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electriophile•

So women who have been raped don't deserve to have a good man love them? Are you fucking serious? Yeah, it's a little weird that she didn't find a new therapist, but if you seriously think that past abuse is a deal breaker, you're a shitty person.

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BenInBaja•

She wasn't raped once but multiple times. A lot of therapy may help if she was raped once but after multiple rapes this girl is going to be fucked for life. If wanting to have a healthy relationship makes me a shitty person I'm fine with that.

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spagma•

Teaching rapists not to rape, may help people not get raped (maybe) Teaching people to take precautions will help them not get raped.

After all, isn't it in their best interest to do everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen to them? No amount of "its not your fault, there is nothing you could have done" after the fact is going to reverse time and remove the event from having occurred in the first place.

No, they shouldn't have to, but with the world we live in, it's just a good idea.

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electriophile•

She's certainly not a misogynist pig, but it's not that girl's fault she was raped. She exercised poor judgement, sure, but she is not to blame for what happened to her. It's absolutely a good thing to encourage preventative caution, but I think your girlfriend went a little far. Calling her a dumbass is horribly calloused, and drifts very close to legitimate victim blaming.

Anyway, your girlfriend needs a new therapist.

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Zombiefun•

Why the fuck dose she go to this guy?

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