Tesla Vehicle Safety Report
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tesla.comPosted Jan 11, 2023, 4:23 AM UTC
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tesla.comTesla's latest BS... updating how they define 'crash'. Spoiler: it's not in a good way.
*Update (January 2023): recent analysis led us to identify and implement upgrades to our data reporting. Specifically, we discovered reports of certain events where no airbag or other active restraint deployed, single events that were counted more than once, and reports of invalid or duplicated mileage records. Including these events is inconsistent with our methodology for the Vehicle Safety Report and they will be excluded going forward.
Particularly BS because newer active restraint systems are far more nuanced than they used to be. Once upon a time, "collision above X mph" meant automatic airbag deployment, now all sorts of other factors (according to multiple trainings I've received as a firefighter-paramedic), deceleration time, direction of collision matter. You can have pretty decent collisions at 25mph into stationary objects without deployment. Per Tesla, that "shouldn't count".
It also even means that in the event that a safety system fails to deploy, perhaps because of such severe damage (or, because it's Tesla, poor assembly line quality control), well, that doesn't count, either!
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Am I reading this right they are comparing a specific type of Tesla crash to all other car crashes?
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Absolutely. They make no such distinctions when they are looking at other car crashes in terms of their "per mile" stats.
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Huh I thought I must be wrong. That's complete garbage data, might as well have said they asked Elon to guess.
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That's exactly what they did.
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If you look close enough, nearly everything Elon Musks companies are involved in has at least some fraud or shady angle.
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I remember several accidents reported on here where the car had material damage and folks on here pointed out that there must be a problem with the airbag because it didn’t deploy.
I got “ schooled” by Stans saying it made total sense and that airbags usually didn’t deploy under x, y or Z conditions.
I guess those crashes that caused thousands in damage aren’t counted as wrecks now? I guess the Stans were right…nothing to see here!
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I was probably one of the people saying that airbag deployments aren't needed every time there's a major collision, and that's still true. Airbags are not fun, and you don't want them firing unless actually needing.
Tesla is being extremely shady, as usual, by cherry-picking only airbag deployments.
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When I say I got “schooled” I meant I learned something 👍
It’s definitely shady, beyond shady, to only count accidents were airbags were deployed.
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Ah right on, and yes!
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They don't publish it for an entire year, yet the day that a story breaks about the NHTSA investigation progressing and the video of the tesla causing an 8-car pileup is released... so is the 'safety' report!!
What a wild coincidence.
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and with total methodology change so nobody knows what's on display anymore.
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While we are on the topic of safety, I'm still convinced there is a full drive unit recall waiting in the wings.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2-drive-unit-failure-within-8-days.283345/
Oct. 15, 2022 (the next day after I pick up from service center) - I am driving on the I-5 (Sourthern California). There are five lanes on the freeway. I am located in the second to right lane (kind of in the middle). All of the sudden, I get the same notifications (as mentioned above) and my car goes from 70 mph to completely stopped in a matter of seconds. As my car is breaking down, it is shaking and rumbling. People are driving 70-80 mph all around me, so I basically cause a safety hazard in the middle of the highway. Luckily, I thought quick on my feet and called 911 immediately. I called roadside before, but there wasn't much they could do, but the policeman who helped me parked behind me (while in the middle of the freeway) just to kind of give me an ease of mind and help with this safety hazard.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7327338/
My rear motor failed with just 850 miles on the car. Message warning toggled between "rear motor disabled - power reduced, avoid steep inclines. If issue persists, contact Tesla Service" and "speed limited to 37mph." I called Tesla service immediately, as both the 37mph and the steep inclines were unavoidable in order to get home. They had me drive the car (keeping under 37mph) to a place that was closer to the Tesla Service Center near my house than it was to the Tesla Service Center closest to me when I called. Apparently Tesla's Roadside Service team can't direct the car to be towed to a location further than the closest service center. I had no problems driving the car the 5 miles it took to get past the line that allowed them to tow the car to my local service center. The repair is presently underway, and the diagnosis they shared I that a faulty seal in the cooling system allowed coolant to leak into the rear inverter, and so the rear inverter must be replaced (major repair / 1 week timeframe). I'll update if that changes.
I just bought a Tesla Model S Long Range (2021). It has 4,500 miles. Really love the way the car looks and drives. Have had it for about 2 months. This morning, the car flashed a warning while I was driving "Pull Over Safely - Car Shutting Down". 30 seconds after the warning - the car was disabled and stopped in the middle of the street. You could not manually put the car into neutral at all. I called Tesla Roadside Assistance and they came an hour later to tow the car away. It's a horrifying experience for a vehicle that costs $100K. Has anyone else had this happen to them? From reading different forums, it sounds like this has happened to several model 3s and model Ys. Apparently it has something to do with the Rear Motor Drive Inverter. In any case, appreciate your thoughts and help.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2022-myp-motor-failure.256629/page-4
I am in New York, I have a 2020 MYP with 24,000 miles on it. The vehicle has been perfect until now, including a 4,000mi cross country trip last year. On Sept 1, while driving at highway speed, I felt a clunk and there was a warning that the vehicle would lose power. "Turtle mode". I couldn't make it to the next exit, so I pulled over on the shoulder. Notification said exiting and re-entering the vehicle will restore function, so I got out, got back in, and I was able to drive home. I arranged a tow to Tesla and after a few days, they told me they replaced the accelerator pedal and the car was fixed. On Sept 14, the same thing happened, twice within a few miles of my home, so I had it towed again and this time they replaced the rear drive unit inverter. Today, the same thing happened again and I am waiting for the tow truck. The first and third times I was navigating to a supercharger, but not the second time. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, what repair ultimately fixed the problem for good? I love my car but if they do not solve the problem this time, I believe I will be in Lemon Law territory.
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Adding to the Model Y rear motor disabled thread. I have a 2021 MYLR delivered Sept 2021. Last week I joined the club - reading these threads makes me think I may have heard a clunk right before but I don't remember. I had also just come from a supercharger to prep for a big road trip (1600 miles roundtrip). I barely got off the street and onto the edge of a parking lot. It took an hour for the tow truck to come, but he was very knowledgeable about Tesla and how to safely tow them. I have 16k miles and have already taken it halfway across the country and on a full cross country trip this past summer. I am thankful I was close to home. They towed it to a service center. I rented a car for the road trip and left the next morning. They had the car the entire week of thanksgiving with no movement on it. When I returned, I got in touch with them and asked for a loaner. They sent me some uber credits in the app. I pressed for a loaner and picked one up yesterday. They expect it to be ready by Friday (so 2 weeks). I was told it was an inverter but at this point they have only done the remote diagnostics - as of today, they still haven't started the repairs, so we will see if it takes longer. I can not imagine this happening on a road trip. Like many others, the thought of it happening on the highway with my children is frightening and it does not give you a lot of time to respond - I would guess I had less than a minute to try and pull over once the warning lights flashed and the car just stopped moving.
Yesterday my car shut down in the freeway close to my home here in Switzerland (see picture below for a flying Model Y)
We had just entered the autobahn (freeway) and accelerated to 120 km/h (75 mph). After 20 seconds I got the error: “power reduced rear motor temporarily disabled”. After 5-10 seconds I completely lost power, and we couldn’t make it to the next exit and had to stop in the emergency lane.
We called Tesla immediately and after 10 minutes they concluded that we couldn’t do anything, and had to get towed. They “allegedly” called roadside assistance (TCS) in Switzerland, and after 25 minutes, after I had called them back 3 times, said that they couldn’t get in touch with roadside assistance, and that we had to call the police and ask them to get us out of there while leaving the car. WTF!!??
I called TCS myself, they picked up after 2 minutes and where there after 20. Embarrassing from Tesla Roadside assistance
The car wouldn’t tow (yes, in tow mode), so we had to close the highway and get the car lifted in the flatbed. The Police where just so cool about it, closed the highway, got my daughter and wife into their car, and took everything with a smile. The tow driver was just crazy experienced, and had the car lifted in no time.
The car is now at the service center, and they will have to take a look on Monday. sugar happens, and I had plenty of time to pull over on a good spot. Tesla roadside assistance where of no use.
Car is 3.5 months old and only with 5000 km, so let’s see. I guess it’s the drivetrain that is somehow broken
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/rear-drive-unit-failure-on-my-new-model-y.257598/
I have a Model Y that is only 3 months old and I was in rural northern CA last week when my car died. They towed it away and I've been told it is the rear drive unit the has been detected as having failure. They will replace when a new one comes in in a few weeks. Any advice on what to look for or expect when i get back my car? I'm hoping this will be the end of it and also hope they will deliver my car since I'm 400 miles from home and can't take more time off work to retrieve my new car. Any input is greatly appreciated
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I looked at the TMC /service site last night and the first 3 posts were all drive unit related and posted within the last day.
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"How to lie with statistics"
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They changed wordign again so I don't know what they even mean with their metric.
The "Autopilot technology" is never explained anywhere unlike before, so for all I know just merely using autowipers or autohighbeams or having aeb (on by default) constiutes use of autopilot technology.
Hey, you are not supposed to use critical thinking!
Conservatives hate this one small thing….
Excellent catch!